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Re: Honda CRV [bobw3] by ateixeira
Jan 24, 2008 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 24, 2008 7:26 am)

Would you want a 3rd row like the one in the Outlander, though? Check it out:
 

 
I wouldn't want my kids back there. They'd probably be safer sitting on the roof. You get rear-ended and there's just no crush space.
 
I think it's a compact trying to stretch a bit much, to compete with the other vehicles discussed in this thread.
 
So I would consider one only as a 5 seater.
 
Other concerns?
 
Visibility. A backup cam and/or backup sensor options are neat, but they're basically necessary because of the huge blind spot on the D-pillar. Why not build a car you can see out of in the first place?
 
Well, to be honest I really don't trust the brand. After the hidden recall scandal, and the hangover from dealing with bad credit and 0/0/0 deals, I'm not sure if Mitsubishi has fully recovered. Even now residuals are poor:
 
https://www.alg.com/deprratings.aspx
 
Outlander gets only 2 stars.
 
Owners seem really happy, so perhaps I'll check one out. I'm heading over to the DC auto show on Saturday (anyone else in the DC area going?).
 
They have an EVO there, though it's not open. They also have the new 2009 Forester, so I can compare it back to back with the Outlander.
 
Funny thing is Mitsubishi's display is right next to Subaru's.
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [bobe1] by nxs138
Jan 24, 2008 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: bobe1 (Jan 23, 2008 10:51 pm)

Can you wait for the 2009 Acadia?
 
I like the Acadia, but have the same concerns as you. The 2007 model was full of problems, which the 2008 model attempted to correct. I'm still not sold on the 2008 model being as good as it should be, so I'm waiting to see what they do with the 2009 model (if I can wait that long). The 2009 model is supposedly getting some new transmission software, if you believe the GM insiders. Maybe a boost in HP, too?
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [nxs138] by vad1819
Jan 24, 2008 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Jan 24, 2008 8:03 am)

Some rumors flying around, that maybe will be engine with DI ( Direct-Injection), the same one CTS use right now. It will add another 25 HP.
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Re: Moved from another thread: Outlander vs. Forester [vad1819] by thegraduate
Jan 24, 2008 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 24, 2008 6:18 am)

2.3L 4-cyl in the 1998 Honda Accord. Run it to redline then run an Equinox, or older Malibu to redline. The difference in smoothness is amazing. The 3.1, 3.4, and 3.8 thrash at high rpms, the Honda runs as smoothly at 5k RPM as it does at 2k. The new 4-cylinder engines are smoother than the pushrod designs GM still puts out today (those gravelly V6 engines in the Impala, Buick Lucerne, etc), I'd say. Others may (and probably will) disagree. That's fine. We're all entitled.
 
It's time GM gets those pushrods (3500, 3800, 3900) out to pasture. The 3.6L is a MUCH better engine as far as smoothness goes, they just need to get production ramped up enough.
 
On a side note, and possibly a different topic, why does the Saturn Vue weigh over 2 tons? It's not that big, but it is surprisingly porky.
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Re: Honda CRV [ateixeira] by bobw3
Jan 24, 2008 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 24, 2008 7:52 am)

There are a lot of vehicles with the 3rd row close to the rear window (Rondo, Mazda 5, Highlander, etc.), and I'll bet that if Honda designed one it would be a lot better than the one on the Outlander.
 
When cars are tested for safety, there are test for high speed collisions on the side, in the front and in the front off-set, because these are the most common high speed collission. Rear-end collissions are generally low-speed, and the design of the headrests are usually the deciding factor on the safety rating for rear-end collissions.
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Re: Moved from another thread: Outlander vs. Forester [thegraduate] by vad1819
Jan 24, 2008 (9:32 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 24, 2008 8:23 am)

2.3L 4-cyl in the 1998 Honda Accord.
I've always thought this engine very noisy at low or high RPM. It has some strange noise at high RPM. I had ford Taurus 1992 with V6, so it was very smooth engine. But second car was Altima 1996 had very noisy engine at high RPM (4 cyc). I've never like Honda's 4 cyc. engine, they all noisy, but reliable.
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Re: Honda CRV [bobw3] by ateixeira
Jan 24, 2008 (10:16 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 24, 2008 9:11 am)

I've heard rumors of a new rear crash test. IMHO that can't arrive soon enough.
 
I bet we see some of these diminuitive 3rd rows disappear if that test does arrive.
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2009 Forester First Drive by Edmunds by ateixeira
Jan 24, 2008 (10:18 am)
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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=124405
 
In particular I like this part:
 
we could throw the Forester into corners without worrying about throwing it into the trees at the same time. A vehicle so high off the ground should not be able to corner like this, yet it does. It should roll and dive, yet it doesn't. We just couldn't get over it.
 
Now that's what I'm talking 'bout.
 
While shopping for a bigger crossover with 3 rows I had sort of given up on getting something truly fun (in my price range, sorry MDX), but this gives me hope for our next car.
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Re: Honda CRV [ateixeira] by bobw3
Jan 24, 2008 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 24, 2008 10:16 am)

Maybe because the chance of getting hit directly in the rear at high speed is pretty rare there haven't been any high speed tests.
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Re: Honda CRV [bobw3] by ateixeira
Jan 24, 2008 (10:26 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 24, 2008 10:19 am)

Perhaps.
 
I got slammed pretty hard a while back.
 
It was just me in the car, well, my dog too. The dog was harnessed and fortunately we were both unharmed.
 
The Saturn that rear-ended me was undriveable. She had to call a tow truck.
 
It was a pretty violent crash. It definitely happens.

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