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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: Moved from another thread: Outlander vs. Forester [thegraduate] by vad1819
Jan 24, 2008 (6:18 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 23, 2008 8:44 pm)

"I can tell ya there are some 4-bangers out there that are smoother. "
Please examples of old 4 -cyc. that smoother that old GM V6.
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [bobe1] by chuckhoy
Jan 24, 2008 (6:26 am)
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Replying to: bobe1 (Jan 23, 2008 10:51 pm)

I have said this before and I'll say it again. If you look in a forum with "Car X Problems and Repairs" in the title, you will tend to only see people who have problems. That goes for any make or model. Honda, BMW, GM, whatever.
 
That being said, I think the sunroof issue is a real concern if you get a Lambda with a sunroof. Personally, I don't like sunroofs because they weaken the roof in case of a rollover and it is just another thing that can fail. But, lots of people love them and I am in the minority here. If I got a Lambda with a sunroof, I would make the dealer check to make sure the drainage tube is connected properly.
 
BTW: I have had my Outlook since Memorial Day last year and we have had no problems whatsoever. Even in snow, ice and -10 F weather. Today it is -15 F and it ran just like it always does. By far the nicest car I have ever owned.
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [bobe1] by vad1819
Jan 24, 2008 (6:28 am)
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Replying to: bobe1 (Jan 23, 2008 10:51 pm)

I have mine since October last year. it's 08 model. The only thing I have done since I bought it, was transmission software update. I have not felt difference first 1000 miles, that the trans. starts working better. But now I have almost 3000 miles, MPG in promissing range and trans works perfect. I don't have any problems with trac. control, engine stopping, pass air bag and ect. So go ahead buy it, you won't regret it!
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Honda CRV by bobw3
Jan 24, 2008 (7:26 am)
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I think Honda made a big mistake by not putting a 3rd row into the CRV. Even if it was small, like the Highlander or RAV4, it would at least be an option for the occasional kid use. The first two rows are great and I love the folding table between the front 2 seats (much better than a fixed center console in my opinion.
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Re: Moved from another thread: Outlander vs. Forester [chelentano] by ateixeira
Jan 24, 2008 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 23, 2008 10:12 pm)

Touchee.
 
I do think that the support vehicle is a neat idea, in fact Subaru does the same thing. They pre-run with a Forester (more recently Tribeca) to do a Reconaissance, and take course notes for the race. In rallies like Kenya, the terrain is brutal so these are a good test for those vehicles.
 
You lost me here:
 
your phony Youtube marketing video
 
It was real, and it was hosted by a popular JDM magazine.
 
In one breath you brag about how your Outlander is made in Japan, and how great that is, and in the next you dismiss a popular show from that same country.
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Re: Honda CRV [bobw3] by ateixeira
Jan 24, 2008 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 24, 2008 7:26 am)

Would you want a 3rd row like the one in the Outlander, though? Check it out:
 

 
I wouldn't want my kids back there. They'd probably be safer sitting on the roof. You get rear-ended and there's just no crush space.
 
I think it's a compact trying to stretch a bit much, to compete with the other vehicles discussed in this thread.
 
So I would consider one only as a 5 seater.
 
Other concerns?
 
Visibility. A backup cam and/or backup sensor options are neat, but they're basically necessary because of the huge blind spot on the D-pillar. Why not build a car you can see out of in the first place?
 
Well, to be honest I really don't trust the brand. After the hidden recall scandal, and the hangover from dealing with bad credit and 0/0/0 deals, I'm not sure if Mitsubishi has fully recovered. Even now residuals are poor:
 
https://www.alg.com/deprratings.aspx
 
Outlander gets only 2 stars.
 
Owners seem really happy, so perhaps I'll check one out. I'm heading over to the DC auto show on Saturday (anyone else in the DC area going?).
 
They have an EVO there, though it's not open. They also have the new 2009 Forester, so I can compare it back to back with the Outlander.
 
Funny thing is Mitsubishi's display is right next to Subaru's.
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [bobe1] by nxs138
Jan 24, 2008 (8:03 am)
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Replying to: bobe1 (Jan 23, 2008 10:51 pm)

Can you wait for the 2009 Acadia?
 
I like the Acadia, but have the same concerns as you. The 2007 model was full of problems, which the 2008 model attempted to correct. I'm still not sold on the 2008 model being as good as it should be, so I'm waiting to see what they do with the 2009 model (if I can wait that long). The 2009 model is supposedly getting some new transmission software, if you believe the GM insiders. Maybe a boost in HP, too?
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [nxs138] by vad1819
Jan 24, 2008 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Jan 24, 2008 8:03 am)

Some rumors flying around, that maybe will be engine with DI ( Direct-Injection), the same one CTS use right now. It will add another 25 HP.
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Re: Moved from another thread: Outlander vs. Forester [vad1819] by thegraduate
Jan 24, 2008 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 24, 2008 6:18 am)

2.3L 4-cyl in the 1998 Honda Accord. Run it to redline then run an Equinox, or older Malibu to redline. The difference in smoothness is amazing. The 3.1, 3.4, and 3.8 thrash at high rpms, the Honda runs as smoothly at 5k RPM as it does at 2k. The new 4-cylinder engines are smoother than the pushrod designs GM still puts out today (those gravelly V6 engines in the Impala, Buick Lucerne, etc), I'd say. Others may (and probably will) disagree. That's fine. We're all entitled.
 
It's time GM gets those pushrods (3500, 3800, 3900) out to pasture. The 3.6L is a MUCH better engine as far as smoothness goes, they just need to get production ramped up enough.
 
On a side note, and possibly a different topic, why does the Saturn Vue weigh over 2 tons? It's not that big, but it is surprisingly porky.
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Re: Honda CRV [ateixeira] by bobw3
Jan 24, 2008 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 24, 2008 7:52 am)

There are a lot of vehicles with the 3rd row close to the rear window (Rondo, Mazda 5, Highlander, etc.), and I'll bet that if Honda designed one it would be a lot better than the one on the Outlander.
 
When cars are tested for safety, there are test for high speed collisions on the side, in the front and in the front off-set, because these are the most common high speed collission. Rear-end collissions are generally low-speed, and the design of the headrests are usually the deciding factor on the safety rating for rear-end collissions.

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