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Re: Moved from another thread: Outlander vs. Forester [ateixeira] by chelentano
Jan 23, 2008 (10:12 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 23, 2008 12:55 pm)

>> Chelentano was boasting about Mitsubishi's past success in Dakar Rallying, but I didn't think it was very relevant in this case, so I'll ask, what do you folks think?
 
Well, you keep forgetting how we got started talking about Dakar in that thread. Mitsubishi’s success in Dakar Rallying is not less relevant, then your phony Youtube marketing video, where Subarus CTI beat Lancers EVO. Here I’d have to agree to aviboy97: do you really want to continue that conversation?
 
If that’s the case, be my guest and check out this news, which make the Outlander pretty darn relevant to Dakar: http://www.easier.com/view/News/Motoring/Mitsubishi/article-153196.html
 
"The Mitsubishi Outlander has been selected to be the sole support vehicle for Team Repsol Mitsubishi Ralliart’s title defence in 2008. The modified Outlander will tackle the support vehicles’ route, which differs only slightly from the competing cars. These vehicles require a high degree of off-road ability to cross the challenging terrain of the region's vast, sandy and rocky expanses. The 2008 Dakar Outlander has been modified to comply with ASO's safety regulations and features four racing bucket seats with full harness belts, a safety roll-cage, an additional fuel tank, underbody protection, Bose dampers, navigational equipment, and a host of other features. The engine, running gear, and fundamental chassis architecture however remain identical to the standard production car." This year rally of course was cancelled for security reasons, but that’s a different story…
 
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Re: Moved from another thread: Outlander vs. Forester [biscuit_xls] by chelentano
Jan 23, 2008 (10:21 pm)
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Replying to: biscuit_xls (Jan 23, 2008 9:26 pm)

That’s right: the best selling vehicle is not always the best vehicle. For instance 2007 Toyota RAV4 sells in much bigger quantities, but according to Edmunds.com owners give the RAV4 not as good ratings (8.9) as to the the 2007 Outlander (9.2). Consumer Reports also puts the Outlander ahead, giving it best 2008 predicted reliability rating in the small SUV category (along with Honda Element).
 
Marketing spending and dealer network make a big difference.
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Queasy about buying an Acadia by bobe1
Jan 23, 2008 (10:51 pm)
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I was about to buy a GMC Acadia when I read many entries on the Acadia Problems and Repairs forum. I couldn't tell if these problems are in 0.1% of the CUVs or in 10%. It also seemed that the problems were new model bugs that should be have been eliminated by today. I'm thinking about the 1) passenger side air bag on/off, 2) electrical power interruption with engine stopping, 3) gas pedal vibrating, and 4) Stabilitrack & traction control not working. What are the chances that I would see these problems if I bought a new 08 Acadia?
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [bobe1] by freealfas
Jan 24, 2008 (12:55 am)
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Replying to: bobe1 (Jan 23, 2008 10:51 pm)

wow... those are some fun problems...
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Re: Moved from another thread: Outlander vs. Forester [thegraduate] by vad1819
Jan 24, 2008 (6:18 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 23, 2008 8:44 pm)

"I can tell ya there are some 4-bangers out there that are smoother. "
Please examples of old 4 -cyc. that smoother that old GM V6.
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [bobe1] by chuckhoy
Jan 24, 2008 (6:26 am)
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Replying to: bobe1 (Jan 23, 2008 10:51 pm)

I have said this before and I'll say it again. If you look in a forum with "Car X Problems and Repairs" in the title, you will tend to only see people who have problems. That goes for any make or model. Honda, BMW, GM, whatever.
 
That being said, I think the sunroof issue is a real concern if you get a Lambda with a sunroof. Personally, I don't like sunroofs because they weaken the roof in case of a rollover and it is just another thing that can fail. But, lots of people love them and I am in the minority here. If I got a Lambda with a sunroof, I would make the dealer check to make sure the drainage tube is connected properly.
 
BTW: I have had my Outlook since Memorial Day last year and we have had no problems whatsoever. Even in snow, ice and -10 F weather. Today it is -15 F and it ran just like it always does. By far the nicest car I have ever owned.
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Re: Queasy about buying an Acadia [bobe1] by vad1819
Jan 24, 2008 (6:28 am)
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Replying to: bobe1 (Jan 23, 2008 10:51 pm)

I have mine since October last year. it's 08 model. The only thing I have done since I bought it, was transmission software update. I have not felt difference first 1000 miles, that the trans. starts working better. But now I have almost 3000 miles, MPG in promissing range and trans works perfect. I don't have any problems with trac. control, engine stopping, pass air bag and ect. So go ahead buy it, you won't regret it!
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Honda CRV by bobw3
Jan 24, 2008 (7:26 am)
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I think Honda made a big mistake by not putting a 3rd row into the CRV. Even if it was small, like the Highlander or RAV4, it would at least be an option for the occasional kid use. The first two rows are great and I love the folding table between the front 2 seats (much better than a fixed center console in my opinion.
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Re: Moved from another thread: Outlander vs. Forester [chelentano] by ateixeira
Jan 24, 2008 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 23, 2008 10:12 pm)

Touchee.
 
I do think that the support vehicle is a neat idea, in fact Subaru does the same thing. They pre-run with a Forester (more recently Tribeca) to do a Reconaissance, and take course notes for the race. In rallies like Kenya, the terrain is brutal so these are a good test for those vehicles.
 
You lost me here:
 
your phony Youtube marketing video
 
It was real, and it was hosted by a popular JDM magazine.
 
In one breath you brag about how your Outlander is made in Japan, and how great that is, and in the next you dismiss a popular show from that same country.
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Re: Honda CRV [bobw3] by ateixeira
Jan 24, 2008 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 24, 2008 7:26 am)

Would you want a 3rd row like the one in the Outlander, though? Check it out:
 

 
I wouldn't want my kids back there. They'd probably be safer sitting on the roof. You get rear-ended and there's just no crush space.
 
I think it's a compact trying to stretch a bit much, to compete with the other vehicles discussed in this thread.
 
So I would consider one only as a 5 seater.
 
Other concerns?
 
Visibility. A backup cam and/or backup sensor options are neat, but they're basically necessary because of the huge blind spot on the D-pillar. Why not build a car you can see out of in the first place?
 
Well, to be honest I really don't trust the brand. After the hidden recall scandal, and the hangover from dealing with bad credit and 0/0/0 deals, I'm not sure if Mitsubishi has fully recovered. Even now residuals are poor:
 
https://www.alg.com/deprratings.aspx
 
Outlander gets only 2 stars.
 
Owners seem really happy, so perhaps I'll check one out. I'm heading over to the DC auto show on Saturday (anyone else in the DC area going?).
 
They have an EVO there, though it's not open. They also have the new 2009 Forester, so I can compare it back to back with the Outlander.
 
Funny thing is Mitsubishi's display is right next to Subaru's.

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