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#5230 of 7355 Moved from another thread: Outlander vs. Forester
Jan 21, 2008 (1:34 am)
>> but [CR] categorize the Outlander in the Forester's class, and the Subaru scores higher by their measures.
I was not very familiar with Forester, but after looking at its specs I would say it’s quite miserably equipped vs. the Outlander. And don’t see where the Forester “sores higher”. Forester has none of these: Xenons, LED, 40 GB hard drive based Navigation, music server, FAST key, keyless start, rear view camera, parking sensors, premium stereo with 650-watt amplifier, DVD player, 6-speed auto transmission, sportronic stick shifter, paddle shifters, steering wheel stereo and cruise controls, triple mode AWD, 3rd row seat which includes front/side air bags, split 2nd row seat. In addition the Outlander comes with 5/10 warranty, free 5 year roadside assistance, V6 which is smoother vs. 4cyl turbo, using regular gasoline. The 2008 Outlander according to Consumer Reports also has the best predicted reliability in the small SUV class (along with Honda Element).
>> The just-released 2009 model has 8.9" of ground clearance and is as much as crossover as anything else in the class, if not more so.
It’s not quite released yet. But even 2009 model is still under equipped, missing many of the features I listed above and available on 2007 Outlander.
#5231 of 7355 Re: Color of My Tribeca [ateixeira]
Jan 21, 2008 (8:02 am)
As to light colored mats. My 2007 Lucerne had the 'ice cream' mats.
Bought (on the net) a set of black mats with a Buick logo. Heavier than the factory mats.
When I sell the car, the ice cream mats go back in.
#5232 of 7355 Crossover Buyer
Jan 21, 2008 (4:06 pm)
Hello all. This is my first post to this Crossover forum. I am looking to buy a Crossover to replace a van that comes off lease in March.
I have skimmed or read most of the posts that relate to Crossovers during the last week. There is a lot of excellent info here. You guys/gals are doing a great job, especially when you are talking about Crossovers. I have learned a lot already. I particularly like how you discuss so many details that I should consider looking into when I start my Crossover comparison; such as rear visibility, easy access to third row, towing capacity, interior comfort (in so many ways and measurements!), usable cargo space (tons of info there), handling, acceleration, dash light colours, nav systems, etc.
I have no particular loyalty or affiliation with any brand; we’ve owned 2 Nissans, 2 Hondas, 3 GMs, 8 Fords (which included 6 vans, 1 suv, 2 wagons, 6 sedans)
Van-like room for up to 6 adults and luggage (have 4 grown children, no grandchildren yet)
Must be comfortable for long trips for up to 6 adults (5-20 hours drive time)
Easy access to all seats required for adults
Towing capability required only for a small boat or tent trailer
Must not look like a van or wagon (or so the wife says, as she is tired of that look)
The closer it looks to a Lexus RX350 the better (her current favourite style)
Looking for a “balanced ride” (not too firm/sporty, but not too cushy or isolated either)
Under consideration at this point (alphabetically)
Buick Enclave, Honda Pilot, Hyundai Veracruz, GMC Acadia, Mazda CX-9, Toyota Highlander
At the moment, I’m gathering info, and will soon be heading out to the showrooms to have a look and sit in all of them. Will test drive as many as possible. I have to make a decision by mid March, when the van lease ends.
#5233 of 7355 Re: Crossover Buyer [hoser0eh]
Jan 21, 2008 (6:36 pm)
The closer it looks to a Lexus RX350 the better
That would narrow your choice to the Enclave, Veracruz, and CX-9.
Roominess: Of those, only the Enclave and CX-9 give you "real" room for 6 adults and luggage (the Enclave only has 1 more cubic foot of luggage capacity than the CX-9). The Enclave does offer captains chairs, while the CX-9 does not--so the Enclave will likely have easier access to the third row if you opt for captains chairs.
Ride: The Enclave's ride is more forgiving than the CX-9--reviewers say it is too soft, but I found it to be okay, although it definitely has more body roll than the CX-9. The CX-9 is more like a European sports sedan. In everyday driving, I found the Enclave to be a bit slow (it is the slowest of the GM Lambdas), and a bit hesitant when pressing the throttle. My wife also agreed that the CX-9 is more responsive.
Towing: you can tow 3500 lbs with the CX-9, 4500 lbs with the Enclave.
Good luck. I would definitely try the Enclave/CX-9 first, and then go from there. You will see that the other choices have much less room behind the third row (except for the Acadia, but that doesn't look like a Lexus!)
#5234 of 7355 Re: Crossover Buyer [hoser0eh]
Jan 21, 2008 (7:30 pm)
It's a shame the wife doesn't want a van again, because it sounds like exactly what you guys are looking for. Room, ease-of-access, light towing, etc...
#5235 of 7355 Re: Crossover Buyer [hoser0eh]
Jan 21, 2008 (8:14 pm)
For situation will best choice is Suburban. The only this vehicle (also van) will accommodate 6 adults, plus luggage and tow capacity comfortably. None of CUV's will be comfortable in third row seat for adult. The third row in CUV designed for kids only. The trip for 5-20 hours for adult in third row any CUV will be nightmare.
#5236 of 7355 Re: Crossover Buyer [vad1819]
Jan 22, 2008 (6:13 am)
That depends on the size of the adults. I am the tallest in my family at 5'9" so the 3rd row is fine for us. We fit seven people (4 adults 3 kids) in our Outlook for a 600 mile trip. Nobody complained about comfort.
I do agree that the largest ones are the only ones that would work for you. I would seriously look at the TX if you only want to seat 6. It is the best combination of price, comfort and mpg. We got an Outlook because we wanted to seat 7 (our family + a couple) and the CX-9 and FS were a bit cramped for 7. I have no experience with the VC because it was not out at the time.
#5237 of 7355 Re: Crossover Buyer [chuckhoy]
Jan 22, 2008 (7:14 am)
Try the CX-9 & Enclave first and see which one you like driving the most. That will really tell if either too hard or too soft...a real test with some adults in the 3rd row. I'd say the TX is out based on his wife not wanting it to look like a wagon. It's actually a pretty simple decision when what they want is pretty narrow, especially in terms of looks and size.I'll bet the Enclave is the winner, especially if price isn't too much of an issue.
#5238 of 7355 Re: Crossover Buyer [chuckhoy]
Jan 22, 2008 (7:19 am)
"That depends on the size of the adults. I am the tallest in my family at 5'9" so the 3rd row is fine for us. We fit seven people (4 adults 3 kids) in our Outlook for a 600 mile trip. Nobody complained about comfort."
I have an Acadia, so you're right it can be done. But I got this vehicle only because don't want have a van and planning use third row for kids only.The adults can seat there, but my opinion it same affect, as you have small sedan and 3 people seat there. Hopefully, after 6 years I can degrade size of my car. It's easy to rent van if it's need it.
#5239 of 7355 Re: Crossover Buyer [vad1819]
Jan 22, 2008 (2:18 pm)
Thanks for the suggestions everyone.
(nxs138) That would narrow your choice to the Enclave, Veracruz, and CX-9
I was thinking the same thing, but I want to give the others a fair shake as well.
(thegraduate) It's a shame the wife doesn't want a van again
I agree. I was kind of leaning towards a Honda Odyssey myself, but she has firmly put her foot down on that. She won’t even go look at one.
(Vad1819) For situation will best choice is Suburban…..The third row in CUV designed for kids only
True enough, especially if you want to err on the side of having too much room rather than too little. We had a Suburban before and liked it, but it’s not in the running this time around. A bit too costly to buy and operate.
(chuckhoy) That depends on the size of the adults. I am the tallest in my family at 5'9" so the 3rd row is fine for us. I would seriously look at the TX if you only want to seat 6
Yes, I did not mention that my three daughters are all under 5’5”. Although one’s husband is 6’5, and one’s boyfriend is 6’. So depending on who we are taking with us, there are usually a few “smaller” sized people. My son and I are both 6’. And I’m afraid that the Taurus X looks too much like a wagon for my wife (sigh!).
(bobw3) Try the CX-9 & Enclave first and see which one you like driving the most. That will really tell if either too hard or too soft...a real test with some adults in the 3rd row
I’m hesitant to try these first, as my wife might get hung up on the styling, and not want to look at some of the others. I was thinking of trying out the Toyota Highlander first, as it shares some components (including engine), with the RX350. Plus a friend works at the local Toyota dealership, and he’s been after me to give Toyota a try. I’ve never owned a Toyota, but if it’s the right vehicle for my wife and family, I would happily buy one. I’ve got an appointment to check it out tomorrow. I’ll let you know how it goes.