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#5226 of 7326 Re: Ford Explorer America [albook]
Jan 20, 2008 (12:22 pm)
And it can't be all about looks either. Ford has to include some of the features from the concept, like the turbo 4 and six.
Take this with a grain of salt right now, but the info I've read on a Ford forum is that the next Explorer, which will be unibody, is slated for production in Summer 2009 as a 2010 model. Right about the same time a new Taurus is due on a new version of the D3 (Volvo XC90, S80, Taurus, Taurus X, etc) platform. It seems like the next Explorer might use that platform too. Should keep the price down and the safety up if nothing else.
I can't see why they wouldn't use the EcoBoost I4 and V6 with the new unibody chassis. Towing will be limited by the chassis anyway so a V8 or a big V6 are unnecessary IMO. Looks like Ford will be telling everyone who needs to tow anything over 3500 or 4000 lbs to buy an F-150 or Expedition.
The new blowns engines are said, by Ford, to increase fuel econ over the current Explorer's V6 and V8 by 20% and 30%. However they don't say which one increases by 20% or 30%. Given the 4.0L Cologne V6s age I'd guess it is the one that gets a 30% boost in fuel econ by being replaced with a more powerful blow I4. That would mean it goes from 13 city to 17 city and 19 highway to 25 highway.
I'll be watching this one very closely. If they do it right then it might be worth waiting for. They need to get rid of the "bold" grille though IMO.
#5227 of 7326 Re: Color of My Tribeca [ylz]
Jan 20, 2008 (6:37 pm)
I've owned two black cars (not a Tribeca though). I have to agree that black is a tough color to keep clean. Any amount of dust, dirt, or salt stands out! In addition, in the summer time, a black car is super hot when it's been sitting in the sun.
After my first black car, I told myself that I wouldn't get another. However, when I was purchased the second black car, it was the end of the model year so I pretty much had to take what the dealer had.
#5228 of 7326 Re: Color of My Tribeca [ylz]
Jan 20, 2008 (7:01 pm)
Congrats in advance, I truly enjoyed test driving the Tribeca and the pearlescent paint colors on it are gorgeous. The black contrasts nicely with the chrome and when clean probably looks best.
Having said that, black will keep you up at night. It can look dirty the day after you wash it, as any dust will show. Swirl marks from polishing will also show easily. And top it off with a very light colored beige interior which will show foot prints when your kids step in with muddy feet, and that's about the worst color combo from a practical stand point.
It pains me to say that because I think the beige interior actually does look better, but why oh why did they choose such a light shade? How 'bout a mocha color or something?
So gorgeous color combo, yes, but high maintenance.
The diamond gray pearl coat is also sort of dark, but better than black for sure, and the dark gray interior won't look dirty the 2nd day you own it.
#5229 of 7326 Re: Color of My Tribeca [barnstormer64]
Jan 20, 2008 (8:23 pm)
White is actually harder to keep clean than black is.
Arrrg, I gotta quit posting so early in the morning (or was it late at night)
I, of course, had that completely backwards (at least for cars).
Lighter vehicles are actually easier to keep *looking* clean than darker vehicles.
#5230 of 7326 Moved from another thread: Outlander vs. Forester
Jan 21, 2008 (2:34 am)
>> but [CR] categorize the Outlander in the Forester's class, and the Subaru scores higher by their measures.
I was not very familiar with Forester, but after looking at its specs I would say it’s quite miserably equipped vs. the Outlander. And don’t see where the Forester “sores higher”. Forester has none of these: Xenons, LED, 40 GB hard drive based Navigation, music server, FAST key, keyless start, rear view camera, parking sensors, premium stereo with 650-watt amplifier, DVD player, 6-speed auto transmission, sportronic stick shifter, paddle shifters, steering wheel stereo and cruise controls, triple mode AWD, 3rd row seat which includes front/side air bags, split 2nd row seat. In addition the Outlander comes with 5/10 warranty, free 5 year roadside assistance, V6 which is smoother vs. 4cyl turbo, using regular gasoline. The 2008 Outlander according to Consumer Reports also has the best predicted reliability in the small SUV class (along with Honda Element).
>> The just-released 2009 model has 8.9" of ground clearance and is as much as crossover as anything else in the class, if not more so.
It’s not quite released yet. But even 2009 model is still under equipped, missing many of the features I listed above and available on 2007 Outlander.
#5231 of 7326 Re: Color of My Tribeca [ateixeira]
Jan 21, 2008 (9:02 am)
As to light colored mats. My 2007 Lucerne had the 'ice cream' mats.
Bought (on the net) a set of black mats with a Buick logo. Heavier than the factory mats.
When I sell the car, the ice cream mats go back in.
#5232 of 7326 Crossover Buyer
Jan 21, 2008 (5:06 pm)
Hello all. This is my first post to this Crossover forum. I am looking to buy a Crossover to replace a van that comes off lease in March.
I have skimmed or read most of the posts that relate to Crossovers during the last week. There is a lot of excellent info here. You guys/gals are doing a great job, especially when you are talking about Crossovers. I have learned a lot already. I particularly like how you discuss so many details that I should consider looking into when I start my Crossover comparison; such as rear visibility, easy access to third row, towing capacity, interior comfort (in so many ways and measurements!), usable cargo space (tons of info there), handling, acceleration, dash light colours, nav systems, etc.
I have no particular loyalty or affiliation with any brand; we’ve owned 2 Nissans, 2 Hondas, 3 GMs, 8 Fords (which included 6 vans, 1 suv, 2 wagons, 6 sedans)
Van-like room for up to 6 adults and luggage (have 4 grown children, no grandchildren yet)
Must be comfortable for long trips for up to 6 adults (5-20 hours drive time)
Easy access to all seats required for adults
Towing capability required only for a small boat or tent trailer
Must not look like a van or wagon (or so the wife says, as she is tired of that look)
The closer it looks to a Lexus RX350 the better (her current favourite style)
Looking for a “balanced ride” (not too firm/sporty, but not too cushy or isolated either)
Under consideration at this point (alphabetically)
Buick Enclave, Honda Pilot, Hyundai Veracruz, GMC Acadia, Mazda CX-9, Toyota Highlander
At the moment, I’m gathering info, and will soon be heading out to the showrooms to have a look and sit in all of them. Will test drive as many as possible. I have to make a decision by mid March, when the van lease ends.
#5233 of 7326 Re: Crossover Buyer [hoser0eh]
Jan 21, 2008 (7:36 pm)
The closer it looks to a Lexus RX350 the better
That would narrow your choice to the Enclave, Veracruz, and CX-9.
Roominess: Of those, only the Enclave and CX-9 give you "real" room for 6 adults and luggage (the Enclave only has 1 more cubic foot of luggage capacity than the CX-9). The Enclave does offer captains chairs, while the CX-9 does not--so the Enclave will likely have easier access to the third row if you opt for captains chairs.
Ride: The Enclave's ride is more forgiving than the CX-9--reviewers say it is too soft, but I found it to be okay, although it definitely has more body roll than the CX-9. The CX-9 is more like a European sports sedan. In everyday driving, I found the Enclave to be a bit slow (it is the slowest of the GM Lambdas), and a bit hesitant when pressing the throttle. My wife also agreed that the CX-9 is more responsive.
Towing: you can tow 3500 lbs with the CX-9, 4500 lbs with the Enclave.
Good luck. I would definitely try the Enclave/CX-9 first, and then go from there. You will see that the other choices have much less room behind the third row (except for the Acadia, but that doesn't look like a Lexus!)
#5234 of 7326 Re: Crossover Buyer [hoser0eh]
Jan 21, 2008 (8:30 pm)
It's a shame the wife doesn't want a van again, because it sounds like exactly what you guys are looking for. Room, ease-of-access, light towing, etc...
#5235 of 7326 Re: Crossover Buyer [hoser0eh]
Jan 21, 2008 (9:14 pm)
For situation will best choice is Suburban. The only this vehicle (also van) will accommodate 6 adults, plus luggage and tow capacity comfortably. None of CUV's will be comfortable in third row seat for adult. The third row in CUV designed for kids only. The trip for 5-20 hours for adult in third row any CUV will be nightmare.