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Re: fun posts [bobw3] by albook
Jan 17, 2008 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 15, 2008 8:52 am)

You might want to reread my post. I didn't say that the TX was best in class. Just that the TX/FS was the first CUV that could hold 3 rows of adults and a good amount of luggage behind the 3rd row.
 
No- that goes to the Rendezvous- which I think had the best third row of any CUv out there.
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Re: VC [ateixeira] by cjsb
Jan 17, 2008 (2:12 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 17, 2008 1:38 pm)

Let me clarify the pricing (Canadian) so the comparrisons to U.S. pricing on the VC can be fairly drawn. And so we don't get led too astray by the $40K thing.
 
We paid ~$33 850 before tax. Not $40K. This includes freight and all fees. Everything but the tax. So the $33 850 is the best figure to keep in mind here.
 
That is for an AWD, leather, 18" wheel GLS with power everything. I think similar to an SE with leather/roof/AWD in the States? And the quotes I was receiving from New York dealers on this model were not vastly different from what the prices were here once that big rebate kicked in to keep buyers from crossing the border.
 
We purchased outright rather than lease and I'm not concerned about resale as I keep vehicles way past their best before date. By the time I get rid of them, resale differences are so nominal it's a non-starter in my purchase decision. And if you track Hyundai resale values you'll notice a steady incline of late. I think you'll see that trend continue. Hyundai has had much better luck thus far penetrating the Canadian market then they have the American market.
 
Hope that helps.
 
And enjoy the Acadia vad! I like them a lot. But to get into an AWD Acadia appointed as luxuriously and comprehensively as our VC, was going to cost considerably more than $33 850 and my wife didn't like it as much to begin with. And the VC is her's really so I kinda have to go with the boss on this one! It took her only hours to decide the VC was the right one after she drove it. Back to back with the Outlook.
 
And if it's driving experience you are after rather than a serene, stylish, comfortable highway cruiser for the family like most of these vehicles are, I'd suggest picking up a bike on the side. That's how I do it.
 
Happy Motoring!
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Re: VC [ateixeira] by baggs32
Jan 17, 2008 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 17, 2008 1:38 pm)

Seems like a decent value once the discounts are factored in.
 
No doubt about that. My father-in-law just leased an '07 VC back in Aug or Sept and really likes it. He's coming out of his second Explorer and couldn't take the gas mileage hit anymore. He says he got a fantastic deal on it but I don't know the specifics. I have not sat in it or driven it yet because I can't get past the front end. It is not attractive to me so I'm pretty uninterested in it and really have no desire to go any further. I hear the interior is really nice but again, the front end turns me off too much. Others like it and I have no problem with that (my effort of warding off the attacks from VC owners ). It's just not my cup of tea.
 
Funny thing about my FIL and his family though. They call their A6 "the Audi", the Explorers were always called "the Ford", and the Cherokee before the first Explorer was always called "the Jeep" by all of them. However, the VC is not called "the Hyundai" but rather "the Veracruz" is their name of choice for it. It's like they are afraid to call it by the mfrs name.
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Re: price/size [vad1819] by scott613
Jan 17, 2008 (6:38 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 17, 2008 10:01 am)

Vad, so you base fun to drive on figure 8 test? In that case the VC is just as much fun as your beloved Acadia - only a .2 second difference. A separate comparison test MT did between Acadia, Edge and XL7 had the Acadia figure 8 test at 29.1 sec 0.55 g (avg). Interesting how you don't use those numbers or even an average of the 2 tests. Every test I could find also has the VC faster in a straight line. (which I think most of drive a lot more of than figure 8's).
 
I own an 07 Veracruz, purchased the 1st month they were on sale last year. Zero problems and a great ride. It handles very well, has excellent acceleration, and contrary to your previous post, it does hold the road. The only advantage the Acadia has is size. You are so biased against Hyundia (and others) its ridiculous.
 
Here's a few areas where the cheap Hyundai VC beats your Acadia:
 
- expected resale values on Kelley Blue Book the Acadia lags behind the VC for both 07 and 08 models (thru 5 yrs). Not bad for people looking for a cheap ride as you call it.
 
- Warranty. Why doesn't GMC stand behind their product for longer than 3/36 for the bumper-to-bumper warranty? I get 5/60 which means $0 out of pocket for those last 2/24. Hope you bought an extended warranty on your Acadia? Based on reliability studies GMC and Hyundia rank about the same so you are as likely to have a problem as I am. I also get better powertrain and corrosion warranties.
 
But it seems you are only worried about the fun to drive factor so I am sure all of this falls on deaf ears (and blind eyes).
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Re: price/size [scott613] by vad1819
Jan 17, 2008 (7:47 pm)
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Replying to: scott613 (Jan 17, 2008 6:38 pm)

"Here's a few areas where the cheap Hyundai VC beats your Acadia:
 - expected resale values on Kelley Blue Book the Acadia lags behind the VC for both 07 and 08 models (thru 5 yrs). Not bad for people looking for a cheap ride as you call it.
 Warranty. Why doesn't GMC stand behind their product for longer than 3/36 for the bumper-to-bumper warranty? I get 5/60 which means $0 out of pocket for those last 2/24. Hope you bought an extended warranty on your Acadia? Based on reliability studies GMC and Hyundia rank about the same so you are as likely to have a problem as I am. I also get better powertrain and corrosion warranties."
 
1. Expected. That's right. Kelly Blue Book has no valid numbers. Who cares what number will be by Kelly blue book. Try to sell or trade using this numbers.It's only for dealership, how to screw you more. No valid point on this.
2. $0, if you will do all recommended maintenance right at dealer. So you will pay a lot money for schedule maintenance. So no valid point either.
At the end if you will try to sell it, you will loose more money, just because it's Hyundai, not a GM or Honda or Toyota. I don't do any extended warranties. Never bought, never will. It's waist of money. Never pays off. It's applies for house appliances too. They covered, but ........ always BUT. Let's come back in four - five years here, and see who's right.
In the end on this forum best CUV's are CX-9, VC, Outlander, TX; the worst one Acadia, Highlander, Pilot, MDX,RX..... Is it something wrong here? Oh, I guess cheaper is better. Good. But... nothing.
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Re: price/size [vad1819] by thegraduate
Jan 17, 2008 (10:10 pm)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 17, 2008 5:54 am)

I don't try to insult anybody.
My point is ok to pay 20-30 grand for Hyundai, but 40 grand plus for this car it's insane.

 
It seems you are caught in a loop of insults. Do you not get it?
 
We get it, you feel Hyundai is inferior, but deriding others for choosing it and saying how much they feel they would pay for it - IS AN INSULT. C'mon Vad, surely you understand this.
 
I'm shocked, on this forum at beginning everyone like CX-9, and then the VC becomes better choice. How is in the world you can compare CX-9 to VC?
 
I can't speak for others, but I'm not defending the vehicle or claiming it to be, as you say, "better choice." I'm defending the people who you insult over and over for choosing something because THEY FIND IT BETTER SUITED TO THEIR NEEDS than you do. GET OVER IT VAD, THE GM LAMBDA CUVs AREN'T THE BEST TO EVERYONE. Do you get it yet?
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Re: price/size [thegraduate] by tidester HOST
Jan 17, 2008 (10:51 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 17, 2008 10:10 pm)

Take a deep breath ...
 
Count to 10 ...
 
Engage mouse scroll wheel ...
 
tidester, host
SUVs and Smart Shopper
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Re: price/size [vad1819] by bobw3
Jan 18, 2008 (12:12 am)
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Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 17, 2008 7:47 pm)

. $0, if you will do all recommended maintenance right at dealer
Vad, you're wrong on this, sorry.
 
I don't do any extended warranties. Never bought, never will. It's waist of money. Never pays off.
sorry, wrong on this one too, because of your word choice "never" in that they "never pays off"
 
Folks may just want to stop responding to Vad. If you read the comments, I think you'll realize there's something "odd" about them
 
Let's come back in four - five years here, and see who's right.
on this you're right on, so why not just come back and give us a post then, I'm sure most folks can wait till then
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Re: price/size [thegraduate] by vad1819
Jan 18, 2008 (5:42 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 17, 2008 10:10 pm)

"I can't speak for others, but I'm not defending the vehicle or claiming it to be, as you say, "better choice." .I'm defending the people who you insult over and over for choosing something because THEY FIND IT BETTER SUITED TO THEIR NEEDS than you do."
 
I think you're doing a trolling. You don't have any position, you're swinging between different cars. So, give me you're "better choice", that I can recored for future refernces.
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Re: price/size [bobw3] by vad1819
Jan 18, 2008 (6:21 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 18, 2008 12:12 am)

The extended warranties in most case not working, it's even CR reported the way dealer makes money. Same about electronics CC or Best buy got huge profits from extended warranties.
So, until 100K most cars don’t have problems in our days, after 100k it's used car. I've always keep car just over 100k, than trade or better sell it.
"May be it needs for Ford TX?!"
I had extended warranty for Explorer; dealer gave away for free, or may be left from previous owner. So for 5 years i never use it.

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