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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV

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#4717 of 7326 Re: which SUV to purchase????? [zman3] by vad1819

Jan 03, 2008 (7:08 am)

Replying to: zman3 (Jan 03, 2008 5:52 am)
"I'm curious; is the Acadia/Outlook/Enclave transmission in any other GM vehicles?"
 
General Motors and Ford Motor Company teamed up in 2002 to create a new automatic transmission design. The 6-speed transmission was developed after each company contributed US$720 million to the effort. It is a compact transaxle designed for transverse engine applications in cars and light trucks.
Ford claims the 6F is designed to handle 300 hp (224 kW) and 280 ft·lbf (380 N·m), while General Motors rates their 6T75 to 315 hp (235 kW) and 300 ft·lbf (407 N·m).
 
The first application of the technology is the 2007 Ford Edge and Lincoln MKX crossover SUVs as well as the Saturn Aura sedan and Saturn Outlook crossover.
Later:
GM:
 
2007 Saturn Aura XR
2007 Pontiac G6 GTP
2007 Saturn Outlook
2007 GMC Acadia
2008 Buick Enclave
2008 Chevrolet Malibu LTZ (LY7 V6 Option)
Ford:
 
2007 Ford Edge
2007 Lincoln MKX
2008 Ford Taurus
2008 Ford Taurus X
2008 Mercury Sable
 

#4718 of 7326 Re: which SUV to purchase????? [vad1819] by ateixeira

Jan 03, 2008 (7:44 am)

Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 03, 2008 7:08 am)
I think the IIHS should re-test the Taurus X.
 
The front offset crash test in particular is likely to produce different results than with the Freestyle.
 
Think about it - new engine, new engine mounts, new transmission. Plus, a CVT was replaced with the 6F automatic. Those are very significant changes to the front of the vehicle. In a 35mph impact, all those would be factors as the crash energy displaces all that mass.
 
There is no way, no how, the exact same results would be produced.
 
I'm not saying they would be worse, or better for that matter, just different.
 
On top of all that, the IIHS places a lot of weight on the availability of stability control, in fact a car can no longer earn a Top Pick without it.
 
I realize IIHS' budget is finite but still, when major powertrain and changes are made that move that much mass around, a vehicle should be re-tested.

#4719 of 7326 Re: which SUV to purchase????? [u045777] by robr2

Jan 03, 2008 (7:48 am)

Replying to: u045777 (Jan 02, 2008 10:50 pm)
Will the 2009 Honda Pilot be the new CUV standard that all other are judged?
 
Probably.

#4720 of 7326 Re: which SUV to purchase????? [thegraduate] by bobw3

Jan 03, 2008 (7:50 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Jan 02, 2008 11:27 pm)
When hauling 6 people, I'll bet you'd be very glad to have the extra torque and power.
 
I've hauled 7 people, plus stuff on the roof without any problem, so I don't see why I'd need more torque and power carrying less

#4721 of 7326 Re: which SUV to purchase????? [vad1819] by bobw3

Jan 03, 2008 (7:55 am)

Replying to: vad1819 (Jan 03, 2008 6:54 am)
The number that you see on web, shows min legroom, it because 2 row is adjustable (slide forward), plus TX much tighter inside (shoulder space).
 
So if it's showing the minimum for both Acadia and TX, then we're comparing apples to apples and the legroom on the TX is still greater.
 
So, we were agreeing in this forum before, that the Acadia is biggest CUV today.
 
Correct, but unless you're trying to put 3 in the 3rd row, the added shoulder room isn't needed. The TX's 3nd row is plenty wide for 2 people, as is the 2nd row. That's why I said that if you need to carry 8, then the Acadia is better, but if you're only carrying 6, then the TX's added legroom outweighs the shoulder room that you don't need if there are only 2 people in each row.

#4722 of 7326 Re: GPS Navigation [nxs138] by ateixeira

Jan 03, 2008 (7:55 am)

Replying to: nxs138 (Jan 02, 2008 8:01 pm)
Touchee, and you brought up valid points, but those are the exceptions.
 
The Highlander is the only one to give you a full-sized backup cam without a GPS. Even then, it's only on the Sport and Limited models, the base models don't offer it. So you still have to spend more, it's just not packaged with a GPS.
 
Good catch, though.
 
The CX9's in-mirror backup cam is very nifty, I've seen some aftermarket ones, but again, that screen is fairly small. I'm sure that and a portable GPS would do the trick for me, however.
 
I've seen a simple $99 backup cam but you have to hard wire it for power, and I wonder how durable that would be.
 
vad: which $1000 Pioneer system are you referring to?
 
I ask because I looked, and their $999 system is the Pioneer AVIC-D3, which had several important trade-offs I could not overlook:
 
* it only has one single CD/DVD slot, which limits your music
* that also means GPS maps or music, not both
* it was not compatible with the steering wheel controls I have for the radio
* backup cam not included, though it is an extra cost option ($150 to $250)
* that price does not include installation
 
So with a backup cam option plus installation, you're talking $1500 plus. At that point you're better off going factory. Much better off. Factory would give you:
 
* multi-CD changer
* GPS and music simultaneously
* steering wheel audio controls would still work
* backup cam included under your warranty
 
In that case the Pioneer's value erodes quickly.
 
To top it off I found the Pioneer interface not very user-friendly.

#4723 of 7326 Re: which SUV to purchase????? [robr2] by bobw3

Jan 03, 2008 (7:59 am)

Replying to: robr2 (Jan 03, 2008 7:48 am)
Will the 2009 Honda Pilot be the new CUV standard that all other are judged?
 
I doubt it because Honda considers the Pilot as a true SUV, in competition with the Explorer, Yukon, etc, and not the CUVs listed here. Honda doesn't even market a CUV. It has the Odyssey which is their people-mover for those who don't want the Pilot SUV. Ford and GM have CUVs because they DON'T have any minivans in their lineup, so they HAVE to have a CUV to market to those who don't want an SUV. Toyota and Honda don't have that same problem.

#4724 of 7326 Re: which SUV to purchase????? [bobw3] by ateixeira

Jan 03, 2008 (8:04 am)

Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 03, 2008 7:59 am)
I test drove one and it did feel a bit more trucky than some of the newer models.
 
Interestingly, the sketch shows an even more macho truck-like concept. I guess we'll see soon enough.

#4725 of 7326 Re: which SUV to purchase????? [u045777] by albook

Jan 03, 2008 (8:51 am)

Replying to: u045777 (Jan 02, 2008 10:50 pm)
Will the 2009 Honda Pilot be the new CUV standard that all other are judged?
 
I doubt it. With so many new entries into this new and slightly unstable market, I don't think HOnda really has that much more to offer. I thought the HIghlander woud become the new benchmark, but that was before we saw it. That's not happening. I think the lambdas and the CX-9 will continue to be the ones to beat.

#4726 of 7326 Re: which SUV to purchase????? [bobw3] by albook

Jan 03, 2008 (8:54 am)

Replying to: bobw3 (Jan 02, 2008 11:24 pm)
The Acadia's 3rd row is wider because the Acadia is 4" wider than the TaurusX. I own a Freestyle and it was parked beside an Outlook and looked a lot bulkier. And the height of the TaurusX is mostly at the rear, which is why it looks like a station wagon more than an SUV, like the Acadia. And adding unnecessary power is just a waste. After 60,000 miles on my Freestyle, I have yet to find it lacking in power, but I do like getting 30mpg on the highway if I keep the speed at 65mph.
 
Not only is exterior width wider on the Acadia, but the Ford's is signifigcantly narrower. Some like the extra power, and many felt that the FS was underpowered. For deven feltit, so they added more power for the freshining.
 
If you need to carry 5 plus cargo (in the cabin) then the Acadia is the way to go.

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