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What is this discussion about? GMC Acadia, Mitsubishi Outlander, Subaru Forester, Hyundai Santa Fe, Ford Taurus X, Toyota RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda Accord Crosstour, Dodge Journey, Car Buying, Car Comparisons, SUV


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Re: The whole sh [albook] by arumage
Jan 27, 2007 (6:54 am)
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Replying to: albook (Jan 26, 2007 8:09 pm)

Hmmm... In my experience, I thought that even the Santa Fe had a better 3rd row than the Pacifica. My head hit the ceiling when I sat back there. It was close to the ceiling in the Santa Fe, but it didn't hit.
 
The Acadia is growing on me, but for now, it's just too expensive with the options. Someone on the Veracruz forum posted Canadian pricing, although I'm not sure where he got it. A AWD Vercruz with leather, moonroof, etc. was less than a base AWD Acadia.
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Re: Should have said Outlander... [arumage] by sranger
Jan 27, 2007 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: arumage (Jan 26, 2007 7:32 pm)

Well, I have a 2005 Mercury Mariner. It is ok, but has WAY to much road noise. It sounds like a jet engine on the highway. I doubt I would buy the 2008 version as it's is WORSE than the one I have now...
 
Ford obviously did a lot of cost cutting on the 2008 Mariner/Escape and it really hurt the overall performance and braking. It is probably the worst in class small SUV in just about every measurable way...
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Re: Should have said Outlander... [sranger] by jasonj734
Jan 27, 2007 (1:02 pm)
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Replying to: sranger (Jan 27, 2007 8:17 am)

The 2008 Escape/Mariner have lower NVH than the '05-'07 models, its one of the areas they "improved" now they did go to drum brakes in the back - except on the hybrid ones, and they still have the same powertrain but it is quieter than before.
 
The Freestar was canceled not the Freestyle, The Freestyle will be around for the '08 model year and will have the same 3.5L as in the CX-9 so about 260hp, it will use a different transmission from the CX-9 though. It will be shown in Chicago and it will have the Microsoft/Ford Sync system. http://www.syncmyride.com/ It looks like a really cool system, the girl at the Detroit show said it will only cost a few hundred dollars.
 
Also the Veracruz info is up - http://www.allnewveracruz.com/ and no mention of the HID's, Bluetooth, Navigation, LED tail lights etc. Also the ones on display at the NAIAS didn't show those features they were the Limited with the Ultimate package.
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Re: Should have said Outlander... [jasonj734] by arumage
Jan 27, 2007 (4:05 pm)
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Replying to: jasonj734 (Jan 27, 2007 1:02 pm)

There is still a chance for Nav in April so it would make it into vehicles later on. The LED tail lights, HID's, and bluetooth didn't translate into the US version, although it does offer a few nice things standard that are either not available on other models or are options. It will also be $1000s less.
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Re: The whole sh [nxs138] by albook
Jan 27, 2007 (4:11 pm)
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Replying to: nxs138 (Jan 27, 2007 6:20 am)

I will admit the third row in the acadia was a little low, but there was lots of leg room. Where as I think the Mazda was about the same height, but with less leg room and way less width.
And with the second row seat scooted slightly forward, the pacifica had pretty decnt room all around (one of the widest), where aas arumage I think you might have been right about head room in that Santa Fe, but at the cost, the seat is REALLY low. And you have no cargo space, which would be needed for those road trips. According to the site, santa Fe and Vera CRuz have same amount of room in row 3. What i don't like about Pacifica is that big console in second row. If it would have had just captains, I might be driving one now! About space behind third row, no CUV really had it but Freestyle and Acadia. I also sat in X5 third row, and I felt like an old man trying to get out.
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Re: The whole sh [albook] by joe97
Jan 27, 2007 (5:26 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Jan 27, 2007 4:11 pm)

Actually, the overall 3rd row dimension in the Veracruz is larger than the Santa Fe. While the cargo behind the 3rd row is smaller, the 2nd row now adds additional space and comfort. The overall interior volume of the Veracruz is larger than the Santa Fe.
 
I've sat in all three rows of both cars, and I'm no short person by any means - I felt very comfortable, even during extended period.
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Re: The whole sh [arumage] by guyf
Jan 27, 2007 (6:47 pm)
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Replying to: arumage (Jan 27, 2007 6:54 am)

I got the canadian pricing on Cartalkcanada.
 
Hyundai advised me today that pricing for the Veracruz will be $39,995 for the GLS and $45,995 for the Limited model.
 
Also they have brochures out now - mini ones that give the content and the GLS is very well loaded and yes it also has leather. Limited adds the toys like Video and Navi. Alas none are on their way to Canada yet.
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Re: The whole sh [joe97] by albook
Jan 27, 2007 (8:15 pm)
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Replying to: joe97 (Jan 27, 2007 5:26 pm)

Actually, the overall 3rd row dimension in the Veracruz is larger than the Santa Fe. While the cargo behind the 3rd row is smaller...
Where did you get this? the site said they were the same. If cargo room behind the row 3 is smaller then there is no room at all behind it. Must touch the rear liftgate. I wouldn't get it for this reason- though I haven't seen it in person. But I will get in it at the Chicago Auto Show. Where did you get in it. I thought you couldn't touch it yet. YOu ust work for Hyundai.
Arumage-did you misplace some twos for threes? 45grand for a Hyundai? H E double hockey sticks NO way I would get it at that price. Did you mean starting at 29,995?
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Re: The whole sh [albook] by 07xle
Jan 27, 2007 (8:50 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Jan 27, 2007 8:15 pm)

Veracruz 3rd row headroom is 1.3" more than the Santa Fe. the shoulder room is 2.2" more than the Santa Fe and the legroom is just 0.2" more than the Santa Fe.
 
Storage volume behind the 2nd seat is 17% greater than the Santa Fe.
 
Storage Volume isn't published yet behind the 3rd seat but I would expect it to be 20-30% more than the 10 ft3 of the Santa Fe.
 
Prices are sky high in Canada!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Should have said Outlander... [sranger] by explorerx4
Jan 27, 2007 (9:33 pm)
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Replying to: sranger (Jan 27, 2007 8:17 am)

why bring a mariner into this discussion?

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