Last post on May 17, 2013 at 1:14 PM
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#7317 of 7326 Re: how about... [explorerx4]
May 07, 2013 (2:41 pm)
I drove an Escape with the 2.0 ecoboost. Didn't have the low end torque of our V6 Outlander but It revved quickly and smooth with no noticeable turbo lag. Handled and rode nice, too. Steering reminded me of my Dad's 2012 Focus, a compact car I really like.
#7318 of 7326 Re: how about... [toomanyfumes]
May 09, 2013 (5:38 pm)
We seem to be going in that direction, so I expect more small turbos in many segments.
#7319 of 7326 Re: how about... [ateixeira]
May 09, 2013 (7:29 pm)
My '10 Outlander GT AWD V6 is EPA rated 17/24. For 2013 the AWD V6 GT is 19/25 with no major redesign. I'm guessing it's engine & trans programming as weight is about the same and engine size & power and trans # of gears is unchanged.
Funny, though, the '13 Santa Fe Sport (new name as the Veracruz is now the regular Santa Fe) with the 2.0T only gets 19/24 in AWD guise. And it's 50 pounds lighter than the Outlander.
So small turbo isn't always better.
#7320 of 7326 Re: how about... [fushigi]
by kyfdx HOST
May 09, 2013 (7:44 pm)
Our 2011 X3 is rated at 19/25.. 230 HP and 8-speed automatic
#7321 of 7326 Re: how about... [fushigi]
May 10, 2013 (10:42 am)
CR was saying the same thing, the smaller turbos seem to fool the EPA in most cases, but the real world numbers aren't always as good as you'd think.
The turbo makes more power in your example, but is not as linear in the delivery of that power.
My NC Miata has a 2l engine and rumors have the ND getting a 1.3-1.4l turbo. Not sure how I feel about that. It just wouldn't be nearly as responsive.
#7322 of 7326 Re: how about... [kyfdx]
May 10, 2013 (10:43 am)
I'd pick the straight-6, too. The 2.0T may be more fuel efficient but it's rough, and the stop/start features in particular needs a lot of refining. This was on a 3 series sedan, FWIW.
I'm sure they'll refine it in the next year or two. It needs it, though.
#7323 of 7326 Re: how about... [ateixeira]
by kyfdx HOST
May 10, 2013 (2:19 pm)
Starting with 2013 model, the 2.0 Turbo is standard.... I'm glad we have the straight-6..
#7324 of 7326 Re: how about... [fushigi]
May 10, 2013 (4:39 pm)
I was reading about the '14 Outlander in a magazine, and it looks like they will still offer the GT model with the 3.0 V6. That could be the deciding factor in purchasing another, we really like that drivetrain.
#7325 of 7326 Re: how about... [toomanyfumes]
May 10, 2013 (8:59 pm)
I like it as well, and since the '14 Outlander has shed some weight fuel econ should be even more improved. Numbers haven't been published that I've seen but I'd expect 20/26 at a minimum.
That said, the PHEV model is what I'll be tracking. The Chicago area consistently has some of the most expensive gas in the country while also having some of the cheaper electricity rates.
#7326 of 7326 Safety FAIL for many compact CUVs
May 17, 2013 (1:14 pm)
Kudos to the Subaru Forester & Mitsubishi Outlander Sport.
For the Escape, Patriot, Encore, Sportage, Tucson, Wrangler, Rogue, CX-5, Tiguan and CR-V, you have some work to do.
Personally, I'm glad that IIHS continues to make crash testing more difficult to pass. In the event I'm in an accident, my car's job is to sacrifice itself to protect me & my loved ones.
That the Subie & Mitsu both weigh around 3300 pounds with AWD means that the added safety isn't coming with added weight (the AWD Rogue is almost 3500 pounds).