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Cadillac CTS-V, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, BMW M3, Acura TL, Audi S4, Audi S6, Mercedes-Benz C36 AMG, Lexus IS-F, Audi R8, Coupe, Convertible, Sedan
#11 of 151 Re: 2007 Acura TL Type-S [rockylee]
Nov 30, 2006 (12:41 pm)
Hey Rocky - let's drop the arguing about what vehicles are and are not included in the other discussion, okay? We don't need to be doing that anymore. Thanks!
#12 of 151 Re: 2007 Acura TL Type-S [pat]
Nov 30, 2006 (7:56 pm)
Wow Rocky, you just had your knuckles wrapped by the host for stating the truth. We are in no way breaking any rules unless you are making them up as you go along. As soon as something came close to the BMW 3er ooowww that is bad..lets ban them before the truth gets out. They can't stand the competition. The whole purpose of this forum is to create a new niche, one that includes sensible discussion about Premium class sedans with performance (how does that sound?). louiswei, to correct you the reason the MKZ was banned from the lux-perf.sedan forum was because it did not have a manual shift option-an option the IS 350 you stated did not have yet it was allowed to stay, why is that ? Hypocrisy that is why. My argument was that the MKZ has the luxury (see Lincoln website MKZ interior/exterior images), the perforamance-263hp,and suspension to handle tight curves at high speeds,nice options for a good price, and most of all, they are affordable !! You can actually bargain for one and not feel the salesman is looking down at you condescendingly. Thanks Rocky. During the Christmas holidays I will take my wife out to the car mall and we will do a little comparison shopping BMW,MB,of course Lincoln MKZ he he, Acura TL-S,Infiniti G35,Volvo S60R, Caddy CTS etc. We will come back again to this forum and my wife can add her 0.02 cents. Can you do me a big favor ? Post an interior/exterior image of the MKZ vs. the BMW 335i, I think a pic would tell a lot, add the price at the bottom of each
#13 of 151 Re: 2007 Acura TL Type-S [flash11]
Dec 01, 2006 (4:40 am)
I'm not "rapping knuckles" for heaven's sake, or at least I didn't mean to sound like that. You can talk about the vehicles you want here, but you still have to go along with the policies of the Forums. Criticizing other members, discussions, etc., isn't part of an actual vehicle debate.
It no longer matters what vehicles are "allowed" or not in the other discussion because you can talk about all of them here.
Sorry for any misunderstanding. Please email me if you want to continue this conversation.
#14 of 151 Re: 2007 Acura TL Type-S [flash11]
Dec 01, 2006 (5:19 am)
flash11, I would love to track race you with My IS350 against your beloved MKZ. Since both cars are automatic so the competition should be fair. Feel free to name the track, drag strip, road track, I don't care (prefer in FL though ).
Wanna compare interiors...why pick on the 335i since we all know (except blueguydotcom) that it's interior is not top notch in the class. Where the 335i truly shines is in the performance department.
#15 of 151 Re: 2007 Acura TL Type-S [louiswei]
Dec 01, 2006 (7:19 am)
In order, Lexus, Acura, Infiniti, BMW and Lincoln. For some reason, the Lincoln doesn't do anything for me. It's interior is too angular. I just don't like the center of the dash, nor do I like how the dash appears square as opposed to being rounded like all of the others. Also, the gear shift looks cheap. Also, Infiniti has significantly improved the interior of the G35. Hopefully, Cadillac will make a similar improvement to the CTS. Lastly, where is the picture of the Audi, which in my opinion is the class leader.
#16 of 151 Stop hating on the MKZ
Dec 01, 2006 (12:03 pm)
I don't post here a lot but yall are bashing the MKZ way too much.I don't get how the host does'nt want yall talking about the mkz in this forum I thought we had freedom of speech.Any way in those pics its like this.MKZ,G35,IS350,335,TL.
#17 of 151 Re: Stop hating on the MKZ [bigbuck14]
Dec 01, 2006 (12:55 pm)
Get your fact straight...
We don't hate the MKZ, it just doesn't belong in the "Entry Luxury Performance Sedan" class.
The interior preference is purely subjective and Lincoln would surely be glade that some of y'all like the MKZ's interior. For me, I prefer TL and IS350's.
Like I said, the best way to settle if MKZ "belongs" or not is to put it against the also-no-manual-tranny IS350 on a track. Just to make the competiton more fair, the driver of the IS350 shouldn't be allow to use his/her paddle shifter since the MKZ doesn't even have a steptronic tranny even though it's a POS.
#18 of 151 Re: 2007 Acura TL Type-S [louiswei]
Dec 01, 2006 (4:24 pm)
It's a tie between the MKZ and G35 as best interiors. I'd give the edge to the MKZ though.
Where's the Audi, interior ? Well some of us don't want to go blinde.
The CTS-V, IMHO is the benchmark of the performance oriented sedans and in 2008' I believe the new CTS will be very competitive if not class leading against the competition such as the IS 350, 335i, G35, and of course MKZ. The next CTS-V, will continue it's performance dominance over the M cars because it can out muscle them.
I will also say this I wished BMW, wouldn't of ruined a beautiful design exterior and interior like they had going in the last generation of BMW's. The E36? M3 sedan was one of the most striking cars in the world. I do see some hope in the 2008' M3. I don't know if it was the angle or photo but the the M3 looked pretty good and not so funky.
#19 of 151 Interiors.....
Dec 01, 2006 (5:31 pm)
I know interiors like design are a individual taste. I see some mocking the MKZ's interior as being vertical like a UPS truck. What in the sam hell would you call the current BMW interiors ? They look more awkward than the honda civics. However some will openly apologize and call that awkwardness "functional simplicity". Give me a break.
#20 of 151 Re: Interiors..... [rockylee]
Dec 01, 2006 (11:15 pm)
(reality) Awkwardness = (bias) functional simplicity, this is the backwards logic that has permeated the lux-perf.sedan forum. Glad you made this forum it is more sensible.
With that said, lets compare price vs. hp/std.options, the MKZ can be a reference, and lets see what bargain hunters think:
(Prices taken from the websites of each respectfully)
Lincoln MKZ MSRP starts at $29K,263hp.(base model in leather,heated seats,leather with wood interior,sporty tuned suspension ,4yr/50K mi.btb warrantee,6yr/70Kmi powertrain war.etc.etc...)
BMW 335i MSRP starts at $39K, 300hp.(difference +$10K,+37hp)
BMW 328xi MSRP starts at $35K,230hp (diff.+$6K, -33hp)
Lexus IS 350 MSRP starts at $36K, 306hp (diff.+$7K,+42hp)
Infiniti G35 base MSRP starts at $32K, 306hp (+3K,+42hp)
Acura TL MSRP starts at $33K,258hp (+4K, -5hp)
Acura TL-S MSRP $36K, 286hp (+7K, +23hp)
Mercedes C230, 201hp, $30K (+1K,-62hp)
Mercedes C280, 228hp, $34K (+5K,-35hp)
Mercedes C350, 268hp, $39K (+10K, +5hp)
Cadillac CTS 2.8L $30K, 210hp (+1K, -53hp)
Cadillac CTS 3.5L $33K, 255hp (+4K, -8hp)
Rocky is the Cadillac stats correct ? Could you list the CTS-V price vs. hp./std.options for us ?
No wonder louiswei wants to race, her IS 350 is a minimum +7K more and +42hp than the MKZ. But it looks like the Infiniti G35 delivers 306hp also but at $4K less. Now to go and test drive them to see the differences.