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2009 Dodge Journey Crossover

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Re: 2009 Dodge Journey [qbrozen] by albook
Mar 02, 2008 (6:44 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Feb 27, 2008 2:24 pm)

But that's with the 173hp 4-cyl.
Not an engine I would personally want in a 3-row 2-ton vehicle. But to each his/her own.

 
They say the 3.5 V6 has plenty of power, but the numbers aren't impressive. I bet that might turn some off.
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Automobile by qbrozen
Mar 05, 2008 (1:59 pm)
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So i just read a 1.5 page writeup in Automobile. I have to say, their comments make me think I should go check one out. While they are disappointed in the interior space (2nd row too tight and 3rd row completely useless), they do say it is the quietest sub-$30k car they have every driven and has fit and finish that surpasses any other Chrysler built. Seems like pretty decent praise.
 
one thing i did note is that they said the 3rd row is optional. This is something I was wondering when 1 poster commented on a 3 row SUV with a 4-cyl. I was curious if the 3rd row could even be had with the 4-cyl, but I could not find the answer on Dodge's website.
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Re: Automobile [qbrozen] by albook
Mar 05, 2008 (7:43 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Mar 05, 2008 1:59 pm)

I'll say it's a decent offereing. It' s what Chrysler needs right not. And the third row, from my experience at the Chicago auto show is just as comfortable as a Pacifica's. You're right about the second row, though. Actually, it's like they took the outside of the PAC and shrunk it lot, but no the inside that much. It's worth checking out.
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Re: Automobile [albook] by qbrozen
Mar 06, 2008 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: albook (Mar 05, 2008 7:43 pm)

I'll have to see if they are exaggerating about that 3rd row, then. Cause if you say it is the same as the Pac, we find it very useful. My wife sits back there comfortably. I certainly wouldn't say, as they did in their writeup of the Journey, "it is only inhabitable if you are a quadruple amputee." (i may be botching that slightly, but that was pretty much the jist)
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Re: Automobile [qbrozen] by albook
Mar 07, 2008 (7:57 pm)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Mar 06, 2008 9:49 am)

I'll have to see if they are exaggerating about that 3rd row, then. Cause if you say it is the same as the Pac, we find it very useful. My wife sits back there comfortably. I certainly wouldn't say, as they did in their writeup of the Journey, "it is only inhabitable if you are a quadruple amputee." (i may be botching that slightly, but that was pretty much the jist)
 
I'll admit, the Pacifica definitely had a more airy feel, but when the Pacifica 1st debuted in 2003, I testdrove one with the fam, and though the kids were smaller, it was still a tight fit in the third row. Compared to the competition, and accounting for the size, I would definitely say that the PAC's third row should be more comfortable. When you're 6+ ft tall, you probably get to say this a lot, but I wouldn't sit back there more than 5-10 minutes. Yet if I had a choice from the two, I'd choose the PAC. I wouldn't say in a heartbeat, but pretty close.
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advertising by qbrozen
Mar 09, 2008 (8:37 am)
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Well, I see Chrysler is off to a great start in advertising the Journey.
 
We just got a packet yesterday from corporate. The letter states something like "we know you have a bit of time left before the lease is up on your Pacifica, but we thought you'd like to see our lineup for consideration as a replacement vehicle." Well, the book is missing the Journey and still contains the Pacifica. Nice one, Chrysler!
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Re: advertising [qbrozen] by mattandi
Mar 11, 2008 (8:31 am)
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Replying to: qbrozen (Mar 09, 2008 8:37 am)

They haven't done much better with product training either. I stopped by a lot yesterday to get a closer look at the Journey and both the sales person and the sales manager I spoke with knew very little about these. The brochure I was given was not much more helpful. Seems a terminal case of "Let's put these out there and hope they sell."
 
Initial impression. Nice looking, fairly comfortable, quite practical, and price very competitive for the segment. Everything indicates to me that it should sell well, but Chrysler is going to have to do more to build awareness of this buggy. Segment is just too competitive to sit back.
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Journey to replace the Pacifica ?!?! by rodut
Mar 15, 2008 (5:45 am)
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Journey to replace the Pacifica ?!?! No way !
 
Journey is a extremely common vehicle. There are countless others out there, all of them with a better reliability brand reputation ! I can't see any reason to buy it.
 
Imagine you buy it, and then you meet some friends, colleagues, neighbors etc. They ask you why did you buy it. What do you answer ? Is it distinctive ? Is it reliable ? Is it ground level cheap ? Like the $2,500 Tata Nano ??? For fuel economy ? Chryslers are notorious for burning more gas than advertised. For AWD ? To burn more gas, and have more axles / transmission parts to break, and let you with the car dead in the middle of the road, like it happened to my 30,000 miles Pacifica last week ??? Do you like something about the Journey, you can't find in another decent reliability vehicle (among the other 10 or so, already on the market) ???
 
At least Pacifica was a distinctive vehicle. You would immediately spot it in a crowd. Low center of gravity, luxurious, a dream car. Only finance people (we know how smart they are, right ?) would take such an idiotic decision, to shut down the Pacifica and build this ... I don't even know how to call it, because really it's so tasteless that it's even difficult to criticize it. How can you criticize the wastebasket ??? You don't even bother doing it ...
 
#49 of 162
Re: Journey to replace the Pacifica ?!?! [rodut] by albook
Mar 15, 2008 (2:05 pm)
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Replying to: rodut (Mar 15, 2008 5:45 am)

The Journey is a good move for Chrysler. It is one of the cheapest on the market, and I'dprobably buy one before I get a Highlander (Toyta was sleep during this redesign). Chryslers are notorious for buring more gas than advertised? So are Fords and Toyotas, and- pretty much everyone else.
 
The Pacifica had some shortcomings of its own, too. For such a large vehicle, the third row is a total disapointment. The Taurus X and GMC Acadia are slightly longer and have third row seats almost as good as minivans. Luxury? True, the PAC and Journey are like night and day there. But the one thing that killed the PAC was the ridiculous entry price.
 
I'd say if Chrysler would have introduced this instead of the Pacifica, it would have sold like hotcakes. And Chrysler wouldn't be in trouble right now.
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Re: Journey to replace the Pacifica ?!?! [albook] by rodut
Mar 15, 2008 (6:52 pm)
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Replying to: albook (Mar 15, 2008 2:05 pm)

Ohhh ... the Pacifica has way more shortcomings than the ones you mention. But cosmetic things don't really matter. Shorter or longer seats, more or less options, etc etc etc ... who cares ?!? People will care a lot more about a clunking front suspension no dealer can fix, transmission axles who break and let the car unable to move (in the freezing Canadian climate !!!), squeaking steering, etc ... why you don't read the Pacifica Repair and Maintenance posts ?
 
Chrysler is in trouble because they manufacture unreliable cars, end of the story.
 
My advice: jump directly to the Toyota, AT ANY PRICE, because the most valuable asset you own is your health. Not your money. You can always work and make money. But the health you damage when wasting your time in dealerships, or when looking at your beautiful car dead in the middle of the street ... well you can't fix back your damaged health you know ...

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