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#286 of 371 Problems in cold weather, now in warm weather? by holloway5 Apr 24, 2009 (5:29 am)
I started having the issue discussed here on my 2006 Saturn ION 3 this past fall/winter. It seems like during that time period the car would only have the issue if the temperature was literally freezing or below (32 F). After the weather started warming up again in the past month, I figured the problem would go away. This morning I walked outside into 70 degree weather and found that my car would not start. This also happened to me last week. It was about 50 degrees, but had rained heavily overnight so I thought that had some effect on it.   Since this is still happening to me in warm weather, does this sound like the same issue? I think I still have some warranty time left on my car, so hopefully any repairs will be covered... I'm just worried that like others, this problem will start up again even after a "fix." I would use the white wire fix but I really don't want a check engine light on my dash all the time, and my wife is somewhat wary of the solution. Has there been any progress in dealer repairs that have led to permanent fixes, not just stopgaps?   Thanks! Replies to this message: bertbaggins (Apr 24, 2009 7:15 am)
#287 of 371 Re: Problems in cold weather, now in warm weather? [holloway5] by bertbaggins Apr 24, 2009 (7:15 am)
Replying to: holloway5 (Apr 24, 2009 5:29 am) As far as I know there has been no progress with the dealer in fixing this issue. If your car is under warrenty, I would see if a new ignition switch could be installed for FREE. Since your car is not starting in the warm weather, it could be a different issue. I would be willing to bet however that if they do put a new ignition switch in, your car will probably still have trouble in the cold next winter, and then I would recommend cutting the wire. My 2004 would not start in the cold. I cut the wire and my car works great now. I quickly got over the dash light being on. it is better than having a car that doesn't start, and since the dealer won't do anything about it except changing parts and charging you a ton of money, the white wire cut is a good deal.
#288 of 371 Cold weather start prob in the desert! by bbmcg78 Apr 27, 2009 (4:28 am)
Hello all. I have joined your masses in angry response to my 04 Ion not starting. Only unlike most of you, I do NOT live in a cold climate. I live in Phoenix! This is a problem I've had off and on since I bought the car BRAND NEW in Sept 04. The first time, of course, was the ignition switch. Worked for a while, then started up with the NOT starting again. I would shake the car a bit and wait a min or two then it would start right back up. Well, last Sunday, it finally wouldn't start up again. Took it (towed) last Wed and, natch, they said it was again the ignition switch and replaced it. Today is Monday morning. I've only driven the car a handful of times since I fixed it (260 bucks later) and now it won't start AGAIN!!! I'm so incensed I could throttle the GM of Saturn. I will be calling them once again to see if they will fix this problem (hopefully FREE since they didn't fix it the first time) yet again. Aside from the poor soul whose switches all decided to blow, has anyone here had any post White Wire Cutting issues? I am now convinced this could be the ONLY solution, short of calling my lawyer and local news station to shed light on this epidemic. Replies to this message: oblio9 (Apr 27, 2009 4:38 am)
#289 of 371 Re: Cold weather start prob in the desert! [bbmcg78] by oblio9 Apr 27, 2009 (4:38 am)
Replying to: bbmcg78 (Apr 27, 2009 4:28 am) My Oil and Coolant lights were on before I cut the wire. Cutting the wire added the Service Vehicle message and the passlock icon lit up on my dashboard. I finally got around to changing my oil but they were not able to get the change oil message to go away. They also weren't sure why the Coolant light is on since my levels were fine. I can't say that this is definitely related to me cutting the wire but it is a possibility. I am planning on connecting the wire to a switch soon so that during warmer months I wont have the service vehicle light. Beyond that though after cutting my wire in January I have not had a problem starting it. Not even once. Still very very glad I did it.
#290 of 371 saturn ion a/c by fbordoy Apr 27, 2009 (5:11 pm)
hello every one ,does any of you guys had any problems with the a/c? mine was in good working condition last summer but now only have hot air and check the compresor and wont kick.can any one give an idea ,thanks
#291 of 371 Just another Ion that won't start by phg1960 May 11, 2009 (11:34 am)
My daughter just picked up an Ion. (wished I had read this thread beforehand) This morning her car would not start. It cranked, started, stalled and would only crank afterward. She tried it an hour or so later, it did start and has been started several times since. The Passlock indicator was not on.   My question is does this sound like that Passlock (white wire) issue? Or will the car do nothing when the Passlock problem happens?   Thanks in advance... Replies to this message: oblio9 (May 11, 2009 5:34 pm)
#292 of 371 Re: Just another Ion that won't start [phg1960] by oblio9 May 11, 2009 (5:34 pm)
Replying to: phg1960 (May 11, 2009 11:34 am) Could be. This usually only happens in cold or cold and damp weather. I figured it had to be the passlock when I would try, the iginition would fail and I would wait 10 minutes. The passlock is on a 10 minute cycle. After 10 minutes it would start on the first turn, if it didn't I would just wait 10 more minutes and it would start on that turn. If that's the case, cut the wire.
#293 of 371 Will photos help? by flyingfoxone May 17, 2009 (9:21 am)
The posts in this thread describe to excruciating precision the starting problem in my Sister-in-law's ION. She has gotten really tired of being exactly ten minutes late for her first appointment every morning!   After living with the problem for many months (and allowing the extended warranty to expire in the meantime), she implored her Saturn dealer to "Fix it this time!"   He did so (it appears) by replacing the Ignition Switch ass'y (Part No. 10392423). This cost $34.06 for the part, plus $220.00 for labor -- which includes a $110 (approx) fee for "diagnosis."   The dealer returned the car, warning that if this did not fix the problem, they would next replace the BCM (Body Computer) for $665. The problem has not recurred in the 11 days since the repair; we continue to cross our fingers.   The dealer returned the "bad" part, so I dismantled it and snapped some photographs. I offer these for the perusal of fellow sufferers of this extremely annoying problem.   You can find these photos at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyingfoxone/sets/72157618298658054/
#294 of 371 Anyone try this? by pacersbr May 18, 2009 (5:57 am)
I have a pretty good relationship with the Service Manager at my local dealer and he said a replacement of the ignition switch and passlock will do it, for about $170. I've been reading through this and even did a keyword search to make sure, but it seems like nobody on here has replaced the passlock, despite the fact that everyone realizes this is the problem. Has anyone had this done?? It's gone from not starting every three weeks or so to every three days over the last week, so I'm getting to the point where I just want to get this done and hope it works.   If anyone out there has had this done please let me know. Thanks. Replies to this message: bertbaggins (May 18, 2009 6:44 am) meron (May 19, 2009 4:33 am) meron (May 19, 2009 4:35 am) bertbaggins (May 19, 2009 5:12 am)
#295 of 371 Re: Anyone try this? [pacersbr] by bertbaggins May 18, 2009 (6:44 am)
Replying to: pacersbr (May 18, 2009 5:57 am) I don't know about replacing the passlock. I been following this thread for about a year now and I don't remember ever reading anything about replacing it. I know that replacing the ignition switch will not solve your problem. It some cases it fixes the problem for a few weeks, and for others it works for about a year, but it always seems to fail for sure by about a year. I never tried to replace my ignition switch, because everyone on here was saying that it didn't work and they were wasting alot of money. So I just cut the white wire and it fixed my car. I only spent a few bucks.

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