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#353 of 362 Try Battery ground by canadianay Sep 11, 2009 (12:13 pm)
Hello, I cut the white wire about a year ago, everthing works fine since then, but 1 note.   Last summer after the car was parked for about a week it would not start. I found the problem was a poor connection to ground at the battery. I took the battery ground connection off at the frame, not far from the battery and it was corroded. Cleaned the corrosion of tightned the cable, end of trouble.   Just for the record, I originally changed the battery, changed the starter. These were not he trouble. I then cut the white wire, this really worked.   This is a difficult trouble to find as it really looks like a bad battery. Then it really looks like a bad starter. Then you learn to wait 10 min. This is a hard one as it takes 10 min to arrange a boost or get help. it really fools you into thinking it is a bad battery or starter.   To make matters even more confusing it could be a bad ground or connection, as I found.   I have been a mechanic, and aircraft mechanic all my life and I have never seen anything so difficult to troubleshoot.   Try the bad ground first. Cut the white wire if your car starts after 10 min.waiting period. Do not change the battery. Do not change the starter.   The really hard part of this is what if you really do have a bad battery or starter?   Hope this can help. Good luck   PS I have not read the other posts since last year.
#354 of 362 starting problems by rlesieur Sep 24, 2009 (8:49 am)
I have also been having problems with starting my 04 ion 2. Seems to only happen at this point when it's cold. Leave it in the driveway in the fall and it won't start. Leave it in the garage and it starts no problem. I'd like to try the white wire modification. Where is it and is there any damage possibly to any of the components in the engine?? Replies to this message: busdriver9 (Sep 24, 2009 10:16 am) rlesieur (Sep 25, 2009 10:35 am)
#355 of 362 Re: starting problems [rlesieur] by busdriver9 Sep 24, 2009 (10:16 am)
Replying to: rlesieur (Sep 24, 2009 8:49 am) try this link...this is what I did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww5AGhFWcBw Replies to this message: rlesieur (Sep 25, 2009 10:35 am)
#356 of 362 Re: starting problems [busdriver9] by rlesieur Sep 25, 2009 (10:35 am)
Replying to: busdriver9 (Sep 24, 2009 10:16 am) Perfect. Couldn't have been helpful. Will let you know how I make out.
#357 of 362 I need to replace my 05' Saturn Ion Ignition Switch...HELP!! by dezell904 Oct 03, 2009 (6:24 am)
I have read all the posts about how to do it, but still cant figure it out. I bought the switch already. I removed the plastic casing on top of the steering column that covers all the wires and things, I also used a 7mm wrench to get the screws off the lower casings as well. I can see the ignition switch on the left but I cant figure what to do next. I see two gold rounded off bolts,one on the left and one on the right. Do I need to take the whole steering wheel off just to replace the ignition switch? Please help me with this...if someone could post an example video of them doing this it would help alot of people...thanks
#358 of 362 It's done! by esprix Oct 11, 2009 (12:48 pm)
Well, today I got out and made the white wire fix on our Ion before the weather got too cold.   First, BIG THANK YOU to oblio9 for his VERY HELPFUL step-by-step video:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww5AGhFWcBw   My two cents:   * I didn't have any wire nuts, so I just covered the ends with electrical tape, and then tape everything together. * The video was helpful in carefully popping off the plastic cover of the steering column, although it doesn't include how to put it back on (which was the part I was most worried about). Just put in on in the reverse order of how he took it off - right hand side first, left hand side snaps into it, and then the top slides in the back and snaps into the bottom two halves. It'll make sense once you try it. * Not only does the yellow indicator light now stay on on your dashboard, but every time you start the engine the odometer will give you the "service engine" display, so you'll have to hit your trip button to get rid of it. * I knew the yellow light would bother me, so while I had the black electrical tape out I put a small piece over the light on my dashboard (I can still see any other lights that might light up, though).   Between this VERY informative thread, and that video, I can't thank everyone enough. Once we get into the winter months I'll report back with any problems, but after reading everyone's experiences, I'm not expecting any! Replies to this message: esprix (Oct 12, 2009 8:40 pm)
#359 of 362 Saturn Ion starting problems by joetree Oct 12, 2009 (3:14 pm)
HELP! My daughter has a 2003 Saturn Ion and we are trying to determine if it is worth shipping from Hawaii to Las Vegas. She is having that 10 minute wait start problem. I changed the plastic initiation switch, then went through the 30-minute learn procedure found in Programming Theft Deterrent System Components, it still would not start. I took off the new ignition switch and put the old one back on and it started up fine. The next morning it would not start. We waited for 10 minutes and it started. But now the problem is more definite, it is not starting more often.    My questions are: If I disconnect the white wire will it affect the airbags or any other part of the car? Is it required that the airbag fuse be pulled before you cut the white wire? Can a remote starter unit be installed on a standard shift where you have to press the clutch to start?   Thanks everyone this forum has been an enormous help for me and my daughter. And yes, we have filed a complaint!   Joe
#360 of 362 Re: It's done! [esprix] by esprix Oct 12, 2009 (8:40 pm)
Replying to: esprix (Oct 11, 2009 12:48 pm) Oh, I also wanted to mention that in the YouTube video comments someone mentions that disconnecting your battery for an hour will turn off the indicator light on the dashboard at least until the next time it tells you you need an oil change. Might be worth a shot if the light annoys you.
#361 of 362 why? by zx2vt Oct 26, 2009 (4:17 pm)
what does the cold and wet weather have to do w/ this problem? i think i may have the same problem as everyone else here. just a few questions though. If i hook my white wire up to a switch. will i be able to just flip the switch when my car don't start or will i still have to wait the 10 min.? Also i am usually able to jump start my car when i don't start. Replies to this message: oblio9 (Oct 26, 2009 6:45 pm)
#362 of 362 Re: why? [zx2vt] by oblio9 Oct 26, 2009 (6:45 pm)
Replying to: zx2vt (Oct 26, 2009 4:17 pm) No idea though at one point I think someone mentioned that the wire was smaller than it should be (?). For me it was always a combination of cold and wet. On a sub-zero day it started, no problem. On a damp 40 degree morning I was screwed. With Saturn going belly up, no point in asking why as I don't think this will ever get fixed without employing some kind of hack.   What you could do, and I have contemplated but not tried, is cut the wire while it is running and then when it is powered of install a switch. then I would just keep the switch of during the cold months and turn it on for cool weather or vehicle inspections. I am curious if anyone has tried this yet and how it worked.

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