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Re: trouble codes [vanfish]
by ateixeira
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Aug 07, 2007 (7:09 am)
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Replying to: vanfish (Aug 04, 2007 4:51 am)
I'm sure not all those things are completely necessary, but it is 8 years old now and the plugs, plug wires, brake rotors and pads, and a few other things listed are indeed wear and tear items. Most of those should have been done with the 60k mile service, actually.
I would try fixing a few things at a time, to see if that's enough to clear the codes. Maybe the things I mentioned above and the coils.
I'm not sure you need to replace the catalyst system - it's working properly, reporting misfires. Unless you've been driving with those misfire codes for a very long time you probably caught it early enough to fix the symptom, and not the catalyst itself.
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Re: trouble codes [vanfish]
by rmuscolo
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Aug 09, 2007 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: vanfish (Aug 04, 2007 4:51 am)
Wow - even the newer models still have indicator light problems... I was hoping they would have fixed that! Just got an estimate for $6500 in "repairs" due to problems the computer has found - sensor lights, check engine, tire pressure & brake - all have been going on and off since I got this van new 6 years ago. We have already replaced several sensors and was told the "tire pressure" one was due to the fact that after a wheel needed to be replaced (big pot-hole) the local tire dealer must not have replaced the sensor in that wheel. Of course, no explanation as to why any of th lights go off for months at a time the suddenly reapear. We also had a "stalling problem" that took 2 dealers (and many "check engine light" cycles on and off) to figure out. This "warning" system has cried wolf to often - I tend to ignore the lights now. Only problem now -in NY you cannot pass inspection w/engine light on! So either we cough up $6500 for repairs or we cannot drive the car. By the way - the car runs fine, 138,000 miles - just drove 800 miles over the past week on vacation! Although the car has been comfortable - the many trips to the dealor with the stalling and sensor lights/computer diagnostic problems will prevent me from purchasing another! Toyota... are you listening???!!!?? Not only have you lost Me as a customer, but my family as well...
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Re: trouble codes [rmuscolo]
by ateixeira
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Aug 13, 2007 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: rmuscolo (Aug 09, 2007 1:12 pm)
It's well past warranty, so why not find a private mechanic that can fix it for much less. Sounds like the Toyota dealers didn't do it right the first time, why go back to them and pay more?
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Re: trouble codes [ateixeira]
by rmuscolo
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Aug 13, 2007 (1:44 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Aug 13, 2007 10:36 am)
We went back a few times to my local dealer - they kept coming up with "different" codes and/or sensors that were causing the problems (nothing ever mechanical)...then tried a different dealer....they dented my rear tailgate (lifing it inside?) and claimed innocence (we don't own a garage)...but offered to split the cost w/us! We basically have no option now but to have minimum of $450 "repairs" done to a get a one year New York State Inspection waiver.. But we will use a local mechanic we know.
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CHECK ENGINE LIGHT, VSC & TRAC CONTROL
by ny04sienna
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Nov 01, 2007 (11:32 am)
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I have a 04 Sienna w/ 37,000 miles. The Check Engine Light, VSC and Trac Control light came on few times since I purchased my car back in 03. They would just turned off after the car was shut off. In Sept 07, above lights went on around 35,000 miles and never went away. I took it to the dealer for repair. They claimed it was the air fuel sensor (code P0031 & P2241). Even though the mileage was below 36,000 miles but I had the car for 4 yrs; therefore, it was not covered w/ the warranty. I coughed out $800 to fix it. A month later, the same 3 lights turned on again. This time, the dealer claimed it was about "emission" issues with code P0441 & P0442. It would cost me around $700.00 to fix it. I didn't have them fix it this time. When I looked up all these codes on the internet, I realized that NHTSA has already issued "defects investigation" for above codes. NHTSA # 10015534 for code P0031 & P2241 and NHTSA # 10005756 for code P0441 & P0442. Here is the link to NHTSA webpage for # 10015534 http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/tsbs/results.cfm and # 10005756
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/tsbs/results.cfm
After reading other owners' complaints in this forum, I think the new Toyota Sienna is definitely having some issues over here. Should they issue a recall for this? How can we, the owners, get together and make them to do something about it?
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Re: CHECK ENGINE LIGHT, VSC & TRAC CONTROL [ny04sienna]
by gunga64
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Nov 05, 2007 (10:39 am)
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Replying to: ny04sienna (Nov 01, 2007 11:32 am)
Take it somewhere else for another opinion. Those costs are way out of line. If you can find a reliable shop go to them with the codes maybe they can estimate the cost, without running tests (that cost money).
Funny I looked up the emmissions warranty on my 2001 said its covered for like 7 years/80k yet toyota says 3/36k whats with that?
By the way these toyotas seem to have an awful lot of sensors that go bad.
I would also ask the dealer how they determined it would cost $700.00. Just by looking at some codes or did they actually run a real dianostic. Ask them what they would replace for that kind of money? I am going through a simular issue with emmisions and they just want to change parts out till the issue is resolved. Real shops will run tests on the components even run smoke through the system to find a leak. Which is what toyota should have done from the start.
It sure sounds like the dealer is trying to rip you off.
It's these types of issues that will make me not buy another toyota. Problems their repair facilitys can't solve. All they do is replace parts hoping the problem is resolved. When it isn't they want more money to take another guess.
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Re: CHECK ENGINE LIGHT, VSC & TRAC CONTROL [gunga64]
by rmuscolo
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Nov 06, 2007 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: gunga64 (Nov 05, 2007 10:39 am)
Sad thing is,most of us are at the mercy of the dealers, we even went to two different ones, their "repair" was to swap out expensive "sensors"... no actual mechanical work... so was anything really ever wrong with the car???? I am definitely left with the "taken" feeling, and most definitely will not go back to a Toyota for my next car... I don't know if the "mechanics" know how to diagnose a car anymore.. just take the easy way out and rely on the computer. On top of that, they seem to have set price to do a "repair" based on some matrix, not how long it would actually take to do. Case in point - replacing the handle for the rear hatch - Dealer wanted $400+ parts - my Teenage Son - no formal training (just a lot of interest in cars) replaced the handle in 45 minutes - without a manual! The part - from the dealer- cost me $75 - so now are mechanics earning $600 an hour! I work for lawyers.. they don't even charge that much!
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Re: Tire pressure light is on/off [wcheng]
by rmuscolo
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Nov 06, 2007 (6:32 am)
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Replying to: wcheng (Aug 01, 2007 4:02 pm)
2001 Sienna - my Tire Pressure light came on and off - without explanation - for several years.. the first time the dealer told me it was because the shop who did an emergency repair (replaced my wheel) most not have transferred the sensor to the new wheel. Then the light went off... now reason, then back on...Dealer said it was the sensor - I had it replaced, a few weeks - back on... this has gone on for years... it is currently in the "off" position...We just keep checking the air pressure in the tieres... Looks like in 6 years - they haven't fixed the tire pressure sensor issue!
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Re: Tire pressure light is on/off [rmuscolo]
by gunga64
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Nov 06, 2007 (6:43 am)
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Replying to: rmuscolo (Nov 06, 2007 6:32 am)
Yeah had tire pressure sensor on for years. Finally just reset it and it took the last time. Most of time the reset was ignored by the computer. More of those dumb sensors. Really scares me that they put all this traction control, abs, stability control airbags all over the place. All of which have sensors. I tend to think the actual parts aren't bad and it is the sensors that go bad. They also usually put the sensor in place where you cant get at it without a lift. I've even read that the sensor they put in the seat to tell you to put on your seat belt fails. What other junk will they add to these autos.
Glad to hear you can replace the door handle on your own. You saved boco bucks. Mine is still the orginal.
Also don't just take your car to the dealership for second opinions. Try a local shop as well. The dealership uses a rate book that is basically the same at all dealerships. Also if you want to buy a part try to get a non oem as they are cheaper and work just as good. I have also called dealerships for dealer only parts and have gotten as much as a 30% difference in price for the same part.
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Re: CHECK ENGINE LIGHT, VSC & TRAC CONTROL [rmuscolo]
by ateixeira
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Nov 06, 2007 (8:48 am)
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Replying to: rmuscolo (Nov 06, 2007 6:24 am)
You can blame the government for trying to protect us from ourselves - TPMS is now required on every car.
So it's not just Toyota. At least for 2007 on the vans they went to an actual sensor in the wheel, rather than just relying on the ABS sensors.
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