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Sorry about what i'm about to say, but NASCAR it's the most stupid car race in the world. Of course thats my opinion but i dont see any fun watching cars doing circles for hours, i mean whats the point, don't crash? Its so boring, F-1, Rally, Indy, gran turismo, even go karts, requires more ability and its lots funnier than NASCAR, that by the way its the only car racing that no one else in the world does, its pointless. You dont even need i pilot, just put a robot at the steering wheel. Seriously, what you prove? put a f-1 on a NASCAR race, it will destroy the track record, now put a nascar car at a F-1 track, won't be able to do the first corner. You need to watch f-1 or rally dude, there are really good drivers, the best of the world. Even Drag races has a point, who has the best acceleration? but nascar? no wonder why only domestics race on that crap.
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Replying to: ozzex (Jan 25, 2007 11:44 am) Obviously TOYOTA doesn't think like you...they are entering into the NEXTEL Cup Series this year. Sure NASCAR has a point, it is to see who can run the most laps the quickest. 
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"Sure NASCAR has a point, it is to see who can run the most laps the quickest." thats the point on every race, what i meant, its on development, and toyota get in nascar, like i said before, cause of marketing strategies. They want to get into the american roots, thats all. But i bet you, japan headquarters hate NASCAR, as the rest of the world. Why they run F-1 around the world, also rally, also bikes gp, even gran turismo, but Nascar stays here cause nobody else like it.
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ozzex - I think you're a little light on your F-1 History regarding Honda. Honda won it's first F-1 race in 1965 using a car of it's own design - both chassis and engine. Honda returned to Formula One in 1983 as an engine supplier and stayed in the sport for a decade, at various times teaming with Lotus, McLaren, Tyrrell and Williams. Honda engines were considered the ticket to Grand Prix glory due to their power, reliability, and winning track record. Honda supplied its engines to six constructor champions, as well as five driver championships (3 by Senna, 1 by Piquet, and another by Prost), before dropping out of the sport again. Honda-powered cars had won 71 Grands Prix, by the end of the 1992 season. Honda didn't return until 2000, and then with the unfortunate BAR team and the rather good Jordan team. The problems with these teams cars were mostly from chassis design and team organization, rather than from the Honda engines. On the other hand, I can't seem to recall a Mitsubishi victory in Formula 1 at all. As far as Mitsubishi street vehicles, as has been stated above - they're very nice designs, rather questionably executed. They have the potential to be great, but -frankly- aren't right now. That's why the topic topic of this discussion contains the word "Reborn" in it. You might also want to note the question mark after "Reborn". |
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Replying to: ozzex (Jan 25, 2007 11:21 am) I agree with your theory sort of because of think people do buy cars by reccomendations by friends and family or by word of mouth. I like Honda because I have been a fan since I was 14 years old(I am now 27)and I have criticized Honda at times on these boards for the most part dropping the ball on the 03 Accord restyle and also the 07 MDX is just ugly I think. I don't go by word of mouth or what somebody else says about a car in terms of what car I am going to buy. When I had a Mazda and I was working in an office setting people looked down on Mazda and say I should buy a Honda, Toyota, and Nissan because they hold their value better(which is true)or they didn;t know what a mazda even was. "About the civic: if they sell millions, well they can get the "Best seller car of the century" if you want, in USA of course. ok they are reliable, but not the BEST car, its too much even for honda. The Civic is not going to win any kinda best century of the car award. Are you kidding. We're talking about a compact car and not a Mercedes. "that car has no "art of the state engineering" at all." Wat do you mean state of the art? The Lancer doesn;t have any state of the art engineering either from what I am aware of. "it's a good teenager or first car, or cheap tuning car but thats all, i want to know if any of the motor trend guys owns a civic, i bet you they dont, unless he get it for free as a trade to win the award." I agree its good for a first car. The motor trend guys are older in the 30's-50's I think they'll probably own somrthing like an Accord or a chrysler 300. "About honda has done nothing, well sorry but they haven't. Name one development of these company who has change the way of making cars. Answer: NONE." Has Mitsu really changed the way of making cars? I don;t think so either. "What i mean it's, so many years leading the market and their flagship it's the civic. COME ON." Their flagship is the Accord to me. "Well these companies have something that its really important, GREAT i mean AMAZING marketing." Well obviusly they do they get the word of mouth around but than again I think Toyota had some of their worst advertising campaigns before their "Moving Foward" campaign. Your acting like Mitsu is a class leader in every segement. I mean they have good engines. I can take an arguement from a GM or Ford fan because of the abuse they take from Japanese Car Fans or even say Mazda vehicles are more competive than they were 10 years but you are talking about Mitsu here.
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Replying to: ozzex (Jan 25, 2007 11:44 am) I used to watch Indy Car but once the IRL came in to me it ruined both Indy Car and the IRL. I think Indy Car is now called the Champ Car Series. There is no superstar drivers in Champ Car(formely called Indy Car.) In the earky to mid 90's you had Al Unser Jr, Bobby Rahal, Michael Andretti, Paul Tracy, Robby Gordon, and Emerson Fitipaldi. I just tuned off because Indy Car(now called champ car) lost my interest. F-1 I tried to watch it but it just doesn't interest me. Just the lack of passing each other just bothers me. I can watch motorcycle racing though. "Seriously, what you prove? put a f-1 on a NASCAR race, it will destroy the track record, now put a nascar car at a F-1 track, won't be able to do the first corner." Not everything is about how fast you can go. In NASCAR the fastest car doesn;t always win the race. "Even Drag races has a point, who has the best acceleration? but nascar? no wonder why only domestics race on that crap." I used to watch drag racing all the time in the mid to late 90's but I just don;t watch it anymore. I still like the sport though but just don;t watch it anymore. I have gone to an NHRA drag race 3 times. The drag races are really fun to go to too. As far as NASCArR goes that won me over in 1994. I was a Rusty Wallace fan forever until he retired. Now I have to root for Kurt Busch because he drives Rusty's car now. Rally-I have appreciation for what those guys do though despite not watching it. Robby Gordon races Rally sometimes I think. Thats a tough sport. I just spent a whole post on every racing series. Lets get back to talking about Mitsu. |
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Replying to: ozzex (Jan 25, 2007 12:16 pm) F-1 has really never been popular in the US. NASCAR has a big fan base in the US. "But i bet you, japan headquarters hate NASCAR, as the rest of the world." That comment is a little drastic. |
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Replying to: ozzex (Jan 25, 2007 12:16 pm) They want to get into the american roots, thats all." Remember winning on Sunday does not mean automatically sell on monday. Look at my most before about the Domestics winning every NASCAR race for years but that hasn;t transalated(for the Domestic 2.5) into keeping their 70% market share of the US market that they had in 1997. |
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Replying to: wale_bate1 (Jan 25, 2007 8:50 am)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Jan 26, 2007 7:09 am) Subsequent iterations have been nothing to write home about, IMO. A rust-resistant Chrysler, eh? Unheard of dear boy, unheard of...
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