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Dec 18, 2010 (10:10 pm)
I'm so annoyed about the tire wear issue... When my 2006 Mazda3 needed tires at 20k, I said huh? My old Civic used to get 80k out of a set... Local tire shop said those factory tires weren't up to the "sporty" Mazda3... so I got Yokohama's, and again, they were worn at about 20k... what the heck? the DEALER said "oh, they've worn on the inside, needs alignment..." so I got another set, Goodyear's, higher rating, alignment, more money... and NOW THE THIRD SET IS WORN ON THE INSIDE...
I had to talk myself blue in the face before the dealer service finally admitted the car is actually DESIGNED like this. They set the angle of the rear tires "for more sporty handling", and this angle (the "camber") can not be adjusted to make the rear tires wear evenly, without using aftermarket parts... which the dealer said they won't pay for.
It just angers me so much that no one (at the dealer, or at the tire shop) mentioned that the car cannot actually be "aligned", and that spending $100 on "alignment" (without installing non-Mazda parts) has no chance of solving the issue... and that it took 3 years to figure out I'd been had.
On a new car's window, they put gas mileage, and an approximate fuel cost per year. THIS extra cost sure is a surprise to me; maybe when the engineers knowingly build a car in a manner that will make the customer buy $600 worth of tires every 17-20k, that information should be disclosed.
I threatened them with lemon law; I asked them to fix the problem, brought it back 3x. I had to go above the dealer to the regional service manager; now Mazda is finally going to cover SOME of the cost of having the aftermarket kit installed.
This is so completely annoying to me. I'd prefer if Mazda would just be honest and disclose the issue, let people decide what they want to live with. Don't BS me for years about the tires being the problem; don't tell me that spending money on alignment can fix it, when they KNOW it has been designed to wear tires like this.
At this point, I think I should have gone with a CIVIC, or a Toyota Matrix. Would I be about even in price, by now, I wonder...
#307 of 436 Re: New Mazda3 comes with CHEAP tires [aviboy97]
Dec 18, 2010 (11:01 pm)
>>There is nothing wrong with the Mazda3. The car does not magically
>>make tires wear out faster.
Your arrogant statement here is contradicted by a fact which has nothing to do with magic: the rear camber on this car is purposely set to wear out the tires on the inside edge.
Having recently spoken with 2 dealers, a service manager, and a regional service manager, I conclude that Mazda does this on purpose. One service person said quote "well, that's just the price you pay to get that ZOOM-ZOOM, you know?"
The outside edges of my tires appear to have maybe 20 or 30k more life left in them, they look new... but the inside edges have NO tread left. And this is after the dealer charged me to align it, and told me that the VISIBLE negative camber is within specs. Tell me again how this car has nothing wrong with it? nothing "magical" that would consume tires prematurely? IT'S RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE IT.
Oh it's my fault? Please explain how my driving wears out the tires only on the inside edge. I'm a 40-something with a kid, I race no one.
Rotate the tires? sure, if you want ALL FOUR to be worn on the inside and need replacement at what should be HALF of their life.
>>Every vehicle on the road does go out of alignment from time to time.
>> That's the nature of automobiles.
Sure it is, but some cars are designed with negative camber to increase handling; this wears out tires on the inside edge, and requires the owner to buy lots of tires. Several models of BMW, and a couple Lexus models are built this way, according to my friend the service manager.
Funny you didn't mention that... spoken like a guy who sells tires... "it's your fault... cars do that... just get over it and buy more tires..."
So at your shop, when you charge people to "align" their wheels, do you mention to them when their car cannot actually be "aligned" in cases like the Mazda3? That camber angle on the rear of the Mazda3 is not adjustable, and that, even when it's within the factory spec, it's design will wear the rear tires unevenly? And: Do you think 40k is really great tire mileage on a car that weighs only 2800 lbs? I guess for you, more miles out of a set of tires is not actually desirable.
#308 of 436 Re: tires [harry_spider]
Dec 19, 2010 (7:40 am)
"At this point, I think I should have gone with a CIVIC, or a Toyota Matrix. Would I be about even in price, by now, I wonder..."
Funny thing, if you read the message boards, late model (8th Gen I believe) Civics have the same problem with the shoulder of the tire wearing out early due to the rear camber settings.
FWIW, when I bought my Mazda3 I'd read a lot of tire related issues and opted to chuck the factory tires after only 700 miles. I replaced them with a set of Michelin Pilot Sport A/S tires. At this point I have over 35,000 miles on the Michelins and the tires look easily good enough to last beyond the 50,000 mile mark.
#309 of 436 Re: tires [shipo]
Dec 20, 2010 (6:29 am)
FWIW I too read about rear tire wear before owning my 2004S. While the negative camber on mine was noticeable I did not experience abnormal tire wear with the original RSA's. I was not particularly vigilant about rotating the tires. Replaced them at 40K, with tread still above the wear bars, because I was looking for a quieter tire and had an opportunity to buy 4 used Michellin Pilot Sport A/S. These were equally noisy. The ones I ran on the rear are wearing evenly. Two of these on the front are approaching the wear bars and I will replace them with Continental Extreme Contacts in the spring.
#310 of 436 Re: Mazda 3 wheels and snow tires help [borgy]
Dec 27, 2010 (7:50 am)
mazda 3 2005 stands on alloy wheels of 17 by 6.5 inches and has P205/50R V all season tires. i would suggest you to use only these tires and wheels to avoid alignment issues
#311 of 436 Re: Mazda 3 wheels and snow tires help [anjy834u]
Dec 27, 2010 (9:56 am)
Changing the tire size and/or the wheels will not affect the alignment in any way-shape-or-form.
#312 of 436 Re: Mazda 3 wheels and snow tires help [shipo]
Dec 28, 2010 (6:11 am)
"Changing the tire size and/or the wheels will not affect the alignment in any way-shape-or-form."
Not quite true, but really, really close. If we think of alignment to only include Camber, Caster, and Toe, then that is ture.
But if we include such items as akerman, scrub radius, and trail, then those ARE affected by changes in tire size - and sometimes those changes will have negative affects.
#313 of 436 Tires on my 2006 Mazda3 s 5-door....
Jan 09, 2011 (11:03 pm)
I have a 2006 Mazda3 s 5-door (which has the 17" wheel/tire package standard) and the OEM tires were Goodyear Eagle GTxxx (forget the letters after GT). They were worn out at 29k and I was stunned to learn that four new replacements (same exact model) would cost over $1000 installed!!! I chuckled and the guy could tell from the look on my face that he needed to come up with a cheaper, high quality alternative, which he did. He suggested a few different tires, including two Z-rated and one V-rated options for me to consider.
I chose the V-rated Dunlop SP Sport Signature. They were just under $150 per tire OTD. The lower speed rating translates into less road noise, improved ride quality, better wet weather traction without losing the razor-sharp handling capability! They just passed the 50k mark and still have at least another 5k left in them. I haven't experienced any abnormal tire wear on my car, thankfully. Another benefit of most V-rated tires is that they include a treadlife warranty (60k miles on my Dunlops). Very few, if any, Z-rated tires have a treadlife warranty because they are considered 'high performance'.
#314 of 436 Re: tires [shipo]
Jan 11, 2011 (2:56 pm)
A bit of a late reply; I think I mentioned this before, but I got over 25,000 miles out of the OEM Bridgestones on my MS3, and that included three track days at a local road course. I next went with Pirelli PZero Nero All Seasons and they lasted over 28,000 miles. And as you know, I don't "baby" my cars...
#315 of 436 Re: tires [roadburner]
Jan 26, 2011 (3:08 pm)
I got 22,000 miles out of original tires for a 2007 Mazda 3. After that many miles, despite traction control, the car would not go int the snow.
Got Goodyear Eagle GT tires. 33,000 miles later on these 50,000 mile rated tires, the car won't go in the snow.
I'm middle aged (47) and I had two Proteges before this 3. If this is the result of Mazdas now being "Zoom Zoom" cars, this will be my last.
Sad: As the traction control did nothing to get me up a snow covered hill today, a Toyota Corolla passed me.
Guess my next car will be a Subaru.