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#914 of 965 Re: 2008 Avalon headlight issue [mkochelek]
Jul 05, 2012 (11:19 am)
1) your HID headlights are about to burn out. The intermittent shutoff is the first symptom of what will soon be the premature demise of the HID bulbs.
2) this is NOT the problem that Toyota has agreed to fix ( and then, only if you're lucky enough to have less than 60K, or 72K miles on the car--different sources cite different mileage cutoffs). The problem that they will fix relates to shattering/melting/prematurely dying HIGH beam lights.
There's no doubt that there is an intrinsic flaw in the HID low beams on 2008 Avalons. That's compounded by Toyota's outrageous attempt to charge $600-$800 to replace the bulbs. Unfortunately, that has not been enough to convince Toyota to take any responsibility. Best solution is to buy the bulbs in the aftermarket (my advice stick to name brands, not the no-name cheapies) and either (if you're way more handy than I) install them yourself, or find someone other than the dealer to do it for you (I used a local body shop that charged me less than $100).
For excruciating details, see this series of earlier posts:
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#915 of 965 Re: 2008 -2010 Avalon headlights/assemblies [mlingga]
Aug 06, 2012 (1:06 pm)
I am considering purchasing a 2008 avalon. The headlight issue scares me a bit, and I am a loyal avalon driver. is this a reoccuring problem on hi-beams after the 75 k update?
#916 of 965 Re: 2008 -2010 Avalon headlights/assemblies [jnjss]
Aug 06, 2012 (3:59 pm)
Personally, I wouldn't consider buying a 2008 to 2010 Avalon with anywhere near 75K miles. As fine an automobile as the Avalon is , doing so would be a crap shoot, UNLESS there were verification that the headlight assemblies have already been replaced. I had the issue with my Avalon beginning at 35K miles. First replacing one low beam, then the other and finally one of the high beams burned out. This was before Toyota issued the warranty extension. I am thrilled that I didn't get stuck with the $2300 bill, but my wife isn't happy with Toyota for denying reimbursement for the burned-out bulbs I had replaced before the warranty extension.
#917 of 965 Re: 2008 -2010 Avalon headlights/assemblies [papasavalon]
Aug 06, 2012 (5:35 pm)
Just for everyone's benefit: Did the repairs to the headlight problem eliminate the problem on all the 2011 and after models? Or not? Thanks...
#918 of 965 Re: 2008 Avalon headlight assemblies [spallen2]
Aug 08, 2012 (1:03 pm)
The real issue is the compatibility between the headlight housing and Toyota's choice of headlight bulbs. I believe the type of bulbs used exceed the ability of the headlight housings to dissipate the heat generated by the bulbs. Think about it,if it were only the bulbs themselves, they would simply have to replace the bulbs. The high heat not only burns out bulbs prematurely but in my and other cases distorts the assemblies to the point that the self-leveling feature also becomes non-functional. These are both SAFETY ISSUES. And that is something that can't be fixed by replacing bulbs. My Avalon's headlight assemblies were dealer replaced under their "program" not only because of bulbs going out but the self-leveling system no longer worked. The new assemblies by the way INCLUDE different type bulbs (compared to the original) and new self-leveling assemblies.
#919 of 965 Re: 2008 Avalon headlight assemblies [papasavalon]
Aug 08, 2012 (1:17 pm)
papasavalon: I'm curious to know the basis for some of what you have reported. Specifically, on what grounds are you confident that the recent recall had anything to do with the self-leveling system?
What I think is undisputed is that Toyota agreed to replace the headlight assemblies in '08 Limiteds, if there was a history of either bulbs shattering/melting, or premature failure of the high (halogen) bulbs. In the letter from Toyota there was no mention of any self-leveling system issues as justification for the replacement. Do you have information that would support that notion? It's a confusing idea, since, as you know, the self-levelers work on the HID low beams, not the halogen high beams, so it's a bit surprising that a high beam problem would lead to a low beam system failure. But, they are all crammed in there together.
I would be happy if the self levelers were replaced, as mine failed on two occasions before the recall.
As for the reason for premature failure, I think wwest has in earlier posts clearly identified the real problem--running the halogen bulbs at suboptimal voltage in order to use them as DRL's, a really dumb idea. Interestingly the new headlight assemblies on my Limited appear to have a much dimmer DRL. I wonder if they dropped the voltage even lower, sacrificing lumens to reduce heat?
#920 of 965 Re: 2008 -2010 Avalon headlights/assemblies [fin]
Aug 08, 2012 (1:29 pm)
Unfortunately for me, I have a high mileage 2008 Ltd and am not eligible for the high beam recall. I have replaced my high beams (left and right) three times. (I have 194K miles on my Avalon). In each instance of a failed high beam lamp the bulb exploded. It is my understanding that in the day time running mode these bulbs are enegized with lower voltage which eventually leads to the bulb exploding. I was told that Toyota had to replace the entire light housing as it is impossible to remove the pulverized glass pieces that accumulate at the bottom of the housing each time a bulb explodes. The replacement bulb in the new housing is a different bulb and I assume has been designed not to fail like the original bulb. I have purchased exact oem phillips bulbs for each replacement I have made. Does anyone have the bulb manufacturer and number for the bulbs Toyota is now using with the headlight assembly replacements? If so - please advise. THANKS
#921 of 965 Re: 2008 Avalon headlight assemblies [mlingga]
Aug 25, 2012 (5:28 am)
Sorry it took so long to reply to your post. Regarding the "Warranty Ehancement Notice" I looked it over again and you are right, i find nothing refering to the self-leveling system. Yet, I do recall conversation with my Toyota dealer who, when bringing this issue (and the "Notice") to their attention, were very open in looking into the issue. Their service writer knew more about the issue than was spelled out in the letter and knew that if there were an HID bulb problem it was possible that the self-levelers could also be affected.
Since the NEW headlight assemblies INCLUDE all necessary components including ALL bulbs and the self-leveling system, all components would be new. There is no "parts substitution", everything is new.
Some posters have had dealerships that are difficult to deal with. First off, my dealer submitted my information to Toyota for approval before I was put on the list for replacement. I can understand the process since the dealer doesn't want to get stuck with paying for something they won't get reimbursed for.
#922 of 965 Throttle Body Fluid on '06 Avalon
Oct 01, 2012 (7:00 am)
I just removed and cleaned the throttle body on my '06 Avalon. There were two hoses that I had to disconnct from the side of the throttle body to completely remove it and a pink fluid drained out of the throttle body when I removed one of the hoses. It wasn't much and it appeared to be coolant. What is this fluid and what is it for. Does it draw the fluid from the cooling system?
#923 of 965 Re: Lost both High Beam headlights on 2008 Avalon Limited [wwest]
Dec 03, 2012 (9:41 am)
Just bought a used 2008 Avalon and wondering if you would be willing to share the details of how you disabled DRL and substituted the 3W LED. Seems like a much better solution than replacing headlight assemblies. Thanks.