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#892 of 965 Re: 2008 Avalon Headlights/Daytime Running Lights [sury1]
Mar 14, 2012 (2:18 am)
That's not how the world works. Toyota is in a business to sell cars. They replace the parts that fail for 3 years/36k. If you want more than that they sell an extended warranty. A world where the car maker takes care of every issue your car has would mean they all would go out of business within a year.
Toyota can't control they way you drive so everyone will have a different experience with their cars. If enough people have a problem that's a safety issue Toyota will do something. A bulb burning out isn't a safety issue or the LEO would have kept you from driving it.
HID bulbs need to stay on or stay off. They operate on a completely different method than an incandescent bulb. Switching between high and low beam isn't good for them. If you have a Limited, turn off the auto high/low switch mode to extend it's life.
Toyota sold you a pretty good car. It's not perfect and neither are you. The problem could be the car or it could be they way you are using it. Sometimes you just have to figure out for yourself where the problem is and find a way to live with it.
#893 of 965 Re: 2008 Avalon Headlights/Daytime Running Lights [kbetts1]
Mar 14, 2012 (3:43 am)
No one is complaining about Toyota not covering routine maintenance items. I am not whining about wiper blades or brake pads. Your response is a model of inaccuracy, and I'd suggest you do some homework before commenting. Viz:
1. A bulb burning out IS a safety issue. That's why the police can pull you over and ticket you if that happens. And you seriously think that losing BOTH low beams within a few days of each other and trying to drive on just the feeble high beams is safe?
2. There is no "auto high/low switch" on a Limited. There is an Auto switch, which turns the low beams on based on prevailing darkness, and it is the preferred setting, since with the advent of DRL's, drivers are constantly driving without turning on their headlights, thinking the feeble DRL glow is their actual headlights. The high beams are activated only manually using the wiper stalk.
It is true that sticking strictly to manual use of the low beams would enhance bulb life--but that's laughable to have to consider, given that other manufacturers offer cars that can use Auto switching on headlights, and, HID or Halogen, keep them functional for 50, 75, or 100K miles. If you find a 1-2 year lifespan acceptable for an $800 set (Toyota's list price) of HID bulbs, you set your standards way too low.
3. Justifying mediocrity is not my style. If you suggest that leaving the headlights on Auto, and expecting them to survive for more than one to two years is unreasonable, then you probably are driving a '93 Chevy Geo Metro and are thinking "this ain't bad at all, I just have to live with it."
4. Five recalls in three years, three sets of HID bulbs, two sets of halogen high beams, a non functional rear sunscreen that dealer was unable to remedy (fuse has been pulled, so yes, I "live with it"), sure, that may meet your definition of "pretty good car." But I know I can do better next time
#894 of 965 Re: 2008 Avalon Headlights/Daytime Running Lights [kbetts1]
Mar 14, 2012 (12:55 pm)
You give me reason to believe that you are in the PR business, and have Toyota for a client. The spin on a real issue is pretty good!
#895 of 965 2008 Avalon headlight assemblies
Mar 14, 2012 (9:05 pm)
Dealer says the whole assembly is bad. Both sides. Over 1000.00 each. How can the whole assembly be bad. My lights go off intermittently I've had both go off at the same time -- driving in the dark. Dangerous. I can't find any suitable alternative than the Toyota parts. They say it's not the bulbs. Anyone know what to do? I would appreciate help here.
#896 of 965 Re: Headlight HEAT..! [wwest]
Mar 16, 2012 (8:31 am)
Could you elaborate on how you fixed the DRL low voltage problem. I recently purchased a 2009 Avalon and both high beam lights were shattered. Are the DRL lights wired separately from the headlights so it is just interrupting the circuit with another LED circuit? Thanks
#897 of 965 Re: Headlight HEAT..! [spacebridge]
Mar 16, 2012 (8:49 am)
Please see my post #879 above. It goes over the details of the recently announced Toyota extended warranty covering exactly this issue. Toyota has agreed that there is a design flaw in the DRL/high beam assembly, and will replace both headlight assemblies with newer, redesigned assemblies (normally around $2000) at no expense, as long as you can show proof of either shattered bulbs, or even just having had to replace the high beams at least once. This is the definitive fix for the problem and eliminates the need for you to try and rewire the lights yourself.
#898 of 965 Re: 2008 Avalon headlight assemblies [spallen2]
Mar 16, 2012 (9:04 am)
The information you need is already pretty well spelled out on this forum. There are two separate problems. One is frequent/premature failure of the HID low beams found on Limiteds in the 2008 (and maybe 2009?) models. The second is shattering/melting/early failure of the halogen high beams. For information relating to the second problem, see the post I just put up (#879).
If you are having issues with early failure of the HID low beams, there is a long running thread. See these posts:
822 843 845 848 853 862 877 879 882 886 888
for the details.
The question I have still not been able to get an answer to is whether the new headlight assemblies installed under the limited warranty for high beam failure will also in some way help with the HID low beam failure problem. I hope so, but I'm not optimistic.
#899 of 965 Re: Headlight HEAT..! [mlingga]
Mar 19, 2012 (10:10 am)
Toyota customer service says your vehicle must have less than 72,000 miles on it or you are not covered. I expected more out of my Toyota. So back to my original question can someone elaborate on separating DRL from the full on high beam circuit.
#900 of 965 Re: 2008 Avalon Headlights/Daytime Running Lights [sury1]
Apr 02, 2012 (5:21 pm)
I had to replace both the driver side and passenger side headlights and Toyota refused to acknowledge a problem. I wrote the Toyota North America CEO two letters and he did not even have the decency to respond. Prius had a similar problem and was resolved through a class action lawsuit. I intend to contact the law firm who represented Prius owners. Also plan to file a notice with the National Highway Transportation Safety Agency. Toyota should not get to sweep this obvious defect under the carpet and get away with it. It is time for Toyota to stand up to the quality statements they publicly claim. I have found online reports of well over 30+ 2008 Avalon owners with the same problem with the headlights.
#901 of 965 Re: 2008 Avalon Headlights/Daytime Running Lights [kgb22]
Apr 02, 2012 (5:35 pm)
Toyota needs to be held accountable for their actions. The headlight issue was a design flaw, not the result of time or miles. Consumers need to have their voices heard. Count me in if there is a class action. A matter of principle, not the money.