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Toyota Avalon, Future Vehicle, Sedan
#870 of 965 Re: 2009 Maintenance Question [kbetts1]
Jan 20, 2012 (7:23 am)
Your dissertation on "enhanced maintenance" is mind boggling! I think that the majority of knowledgable vehicle owners on this thread would agree that this dealer is proposing maintenance work that is added and unnecessary expense for the average vehicle.
With your line of thinking, I would change the 100K spark plugs in my Avalon at 30K (like we did in the 1960s), and expect the engine to perform better and last longer!
I have never read anything about "enhanced maintenance"in a Toyota owners manual, and they seem to be pretty thorough.
#871 of 965 Re: 2009 Maintenance Question [popsavalon]
Jan 20, 2012 (11:42 am)
Changing the brake fluid, power steering fluid, and flushing the throttle body is just good sense, IMO and not "MIND BOGGLING" unless your mind is easily boggled. Those items are pretty cheap to do and can save a lot of problems down the road. The dealer may have found them to be a reasonable use of maintenance dollars to solve issues common for their customers .
The maintenance schedule is required to keep the warranty on your vehicle, not to meet the vehicle maintenance needs. There is a huge difference.
What Toyota says is;
Import notices for special conditions
Driving conditions: The type and frequency of maintenance your Toyota requires depends on how you drive, as well as the environmental conditions in which you drive. Check with your Toyota dealer to schedule the appropriate level of service for your vehicle.
Special Operating Conditions: In addition to standard maintenance items, additional services should be performed on vehicles that are driven under certain conditions.
Specific conditions require specific services. Please refer to your vehicle's Owner's Manual, Owner's Manual Supplement or Scheduled Maintenance Guide for details.
Warranty: Repairs and adjustments to your vehicle caused by lack of proper maintenance are not covered under your new vehicle warranty. In addition, repairs and adjustments caused by improper maintenance or the use of fluids other than those specified in your Owner's Manual are not covered under your warranty."
The REQUIRED 60,000/72 month MAINTENANCE for warranty is :
Replace cabin air filter
Replace engine air filter
Replace engine oil and filter 1
Inspect the following:
Automatic transmission fluid
Ball joints and dust covers
Brake lines and hoses
Brake linings/drums and brake pads/discs 4
Drive belts 5
Drive shaft boots
Engine coolant 3
Exhaust pipes and mountings
Front differential oil
Fuel lines and connections, fuel tank band and fuel tank vapor vent system hoses
Fuel tank cap gasket
Radiator and condenser
Steering gear box
Steering linkage and boots
Additional Maintenance Items for Special Operating Conditions:
Driving on Dirt Roads or Dusty Roads
Tighten nuts and bolts on chassis and body
1) Reset the oil replacement reminder light ("MAINT REQD") or the message "OIL MAINTENANCE REQUIRED" on the multi-information display after engine oil replacement.
3) Refer to "Engine Coolant" in the "Explanation of Maintenance Items" section in the back of this guide for more information.
4) Inspect thickness measurement and disc runout.
5) Initial inspection at 60,000 miles/72 months. Inspect every 15,000 miles/18 months thereafter.
#872 of 965 Re: 2009 Maintenance Question [kbetts1]
Jan 20, 2012 (5:42 pm)
Exactly what my manual says. The big discussion is about arbitrarily "replacing" fluids, "cleaning" the throttle body, etc., as opposed to "inspect" as the manual states. At the current dealer fluids and labor cost, the difference is probably pushing $1000.
This is just a philosophical discussion about how much money should be spent to keep a vehicle running properly under normal operating conditions. The original posted question did not mention anything out of the ordinary, just an owner who asked about a dealer wanting an extra $1000 or so from him. I still vote NO!
#873 of 965 Re: 2009 Maintenance Question [lotlizzard]
Jan 21, 2012 (11:08 am)
More thoughts: Some owners change brake fluid every 3 years or whenever they reline brakes twice or at some other preset time. Good idea, but yours should not be due quite yet. I changed mine at 3 years and the first brake reline on an '07 Limited. PS fluid? Never changed it in my driving lifetime unless a pump or seal failed, that's happened once, since 1959.... recharge a normal working AC unit? why? You can, call it preventive.. I never have, see no point.
Cleaning a throttle body is necessary more often if you use cheap fuel but it can be necessary also as a function of time. Too soon on your car if it runs good and you buy decent gas... my opinions...... enjoy the Avalon.
#875 of 965 2008 Avalon Navigation System
Jan 25, 2012 (10:09 am)
Is there a way to reset the entire program?
#876 of 965 Re: 2008 Avalon Navigation System [bwhitlow]
Jan 25, 2012 (10:36 am)
Have you tried unhooking the battery for 5 minutes to clear the memory?
#877 of 965 2008 -2010 Avalon headlights/assemblies
Jan 27, 2012 (10:00 am)
From what I have learned from my Toyota dealer, there is a release date (Feb. 22, 2012) for replacement headlight assemblies for the Avalon. That tells me there must have been a re-design due to premature failure of headlight bulbs whether they be high or low beams, both of which had dailed within a month of the other. So far communication with my dealer implies that my Avalon's headlight issues will be taken care of under warranty. time will tell if they hold up to it.
#878 of 965 Re: 2008 -2010 Avalon headlights/assemblies [papasavalon]
Jan 27, 2012 (10:07 am)
That is what I have heard. however the warranty extension is only good to 75K. Mine first blew at 83k and again at 125K Then the low (HID) blew. I have found lower cost replacements, but I am a little frustrated with Toyota for not backing this up.
#879 of 965 Re: 2008 -2010 Avalon headlights/assemblies [papasavalon]
Jan 27, 2012 (2:02 pm)
More confusion on this recurring subject. I just had both headlight assemblies replaced by Toyota at their expense in December. However, the specifics of my repair do not match what you are describing. I received a letter from Toyota, but with these differences from what you describe:
1) The replacement was specifically due to premature burnout, or shattering/melting of the halogen HIGH beam bulb. It made no mention of any remedy for the well-known premature HID low beam burnout problem.
2) The replacement was via a warranty extension, but it was only to 60,000, not 75,000 miles.
3) the replacement was specific, I believe, to the '08 model, not '08 - '10.
4) Obviously, since mine was done last month, there was no "Feb 22" release date.
Having replaced a total of 4 HID bulbs to date in my '08, I'd love to hear that this problem is formally being addressed. No one at the dealer could tell me if the new headlight assemblies they installed would also in some way address the HID low beam problem, which to date Toyota has not acknowledged. My experience was that my dealer was CLUELESS about this whole situation: I had to walk them through the entire process.
If you get any specifics, ideally in writing, from Toyota, or even just more information, please post it here! Thanks.