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#834 of 954 Re: 2008 Avalon Lights - High Beam Lights [ltreachler]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Aug 18, 2011 (7:38 am)
There are a number of reasons why it's not permitted within the forums. You can do just about anything else regarding getting action from a dealership or manufacturer. Instead of going into all of the reasons, I'll just simply say that it's prohibited by our Membership Agreement.
If you REALLY think that a class action lawsuit will get you resolution, I suggest checking out the results of previous class action lawsuits against manufacturers. First, it will take several years to be resolved. Second, the outcome for consumers is likely to be a choice between two options: 1) take the vehicle in to get the issue fixed at no cost, or 2) get a $500 coupon toward the purchase of a Toyota. Half of the consumers in the class will likely no longer own the vehicle by the time it's resolved. The lawyers' compensation will be more of a financial windfall. Much more.
If you want real resolution, you're better off continuing to post complaints - manufacturers have taken action based on reports across the internet. You're also better off working with your dealership and/or personal legal counsel if you truly seek to get the problems resolved in a manner that benefits you.
#835 of 954 Re: 2008 Avalon Lights - High Beam Lights [kirstie_h]
Aug 18, 2011 (7:49 am)
Here's the disappointment. The dealerships hold us hostage and usually NOTHING happens, they put off everything and make it IMPOSSIBLE to resolve issues, they simply wear you down. Unless you have lots of time you end up paying for the repair yourself.
Toyota has been EXTREMELY disappointing to me as I have an 07 Avalon LTD, Oil Hose connector broke, windshield washer reservoir failed, electric sunshade (rear) broke, now rack & Pinion steering going out!! they run you around and wear you down with BS.
#836 of 954 Re: 2008 Avalon Lights - High Beam Lights [2008avalon]
Sep 07, 2011 (6:01 pm)
I have an 08 Avalon with high beam issue. Interested in participating in the class action. These guys need to be held accountable.
#837 of 954 Re: 2008 Avalon Lights - High Beam Lights [avalon1owner]
Sep 07, 2011 (7:04 pm)
I sympathize as someone who has spent many hours and hundreds of dollars dealing with a clearly defective headlight design in the '08 Avvie--esp the HID lights.
But...As host Kirstie had pointed out in earlier post, class action lawsuits are useless, and IMHO are a huge scam perpetuated by the legal industry. As an individual participant in a class action, the best you can hope for is a "gift certificate" for $50 towards the purchase of your next Toyota, or some other equally stupid, meaningless compensation, assuming you win the suit.
The ONLY ones who profit are the lawyers, who run to the bank with the 30% of the settlement worth millions, laughing at the suckers who initiated the suit in the first place. What a joke.
I'm with Kirstie. Apply leverage where you can, on a local level. Keep your expectations reasonable. And buy a Ford next time.
#838 of 954 Class action not an option
Sep 10, 2011 (4:02 am)
Guys- My original post was done out of being momentarily irritated and never intended for action. Too much a pain in the butt to deal with lawyers. Instead I had two high-beam light bulbs replaced at the dealership at no labor charge and worked the bigger issue as a nice guy with my dealership. They took it to Toyota Regional which agreed to pay half the cost of replacing the lighting system resulting in my cost being less than $225. My system doesn't sync with the wheel direction which must be the reason it's not as expensive as others quoted. Heck of a lot cheaper and less stress than a lawsuit which I agree is not productive.
#839 of 954 Class Action? not....
Sep 10, 2011 (5:50 pm)
The summary of the many posts here should be this: vote with your wallet. I grew up on Ford and GM products. Bought them, drove them, raced them, etc..... till the mid 1990's. At that point the quality had dropped off so I went foreign, bought a Honda v6.. last American purchase was a Ford T-bird in '95. It's been Honda, Toyota and Nissan in our extended family ever since. Three Avalons (to stay on topic) so far, six v6 Hondas and two Altimas. All have been wonderful.
American makes have made a recent comeback in both style and dependability, yes. But it will take a lot to get me back in an Ford or GM product. The Japanese names are simply too good overall from my experience. Would not touch a new Benz or a BMW either although some models are better than average in reliability. Again, if you don't like it... don't buy it..... they will make it better or go out of business.
#840 of 954 Headlight Issue
Sep 14, 2011 (5:11 am)
I found the following at:
20000 EXTERIOR LIGHTING
Bulletin No: SB-0044-10 R
Date of Bulletin: 05/26/2011
TOYOTA: ON SOME 2008-2010 AVALON VEHICLES, THE HIGH BEAM LIGHT BULBS MAY NOT WORK OR SHATTER. *RM
Unfortunately, I cannot find any other information on this issue.
#841 of 954 Re: Headlight Issue [aus1]
Sep 14, 2011 (7:30 am)
A complete printout of this bulletin (TSB-0044-10 Rev. 1) can be obtained from the NHTSA website for a fee. It is item no. 10037591.
I have found free TSB details in the past, but this one does not seem to be available.
#842 of 954 Re: 2008 Avalon Lights - High Beam Lights [baseballmom4]
Sep 27, 2011 (6:56 pm)
The local dealer quoted me a price of $265.00 each to replace the hi beam bulbs on my daughter's 2008 Avalon. And $1,465.00 each to replace the entire headlight assembly. I purchased bulbs from O'Reilly's for $50.00 each and it takes about 5 minutes to replace them. The dealer was just trying to rip me off.
I also noticed that one of the lo beam lights works intermittently. Don't know if it is the bulb or the power supply.
#843 of 954 Re: 2008 Avalon Lights - High Beam Lights [slharp]
Sep 27, 2011 (7:28 pm)
you should go back and read the series of posts that I and others have made concerning the dreaded, POS HID headlights (assuming you have a Limited with the HID bulbs). Intermittent failure is almost inevitably a sign of impending bulb failure. Unfortunately, unlike the high beams, the HID bulbs are extremely difficult to replace. There have been some who have done it, but they describe a process well beyond someone like me. I have replaced mine twice in my '08 Limited. Each time I've had my buddy, who owns a body shop, replace the bulbs. He found the easiest way to do it was to drop the front bumper (!). Fortunately, he charged me only around $100 to install, on top of the roughly $50 for each bulb (purchased online--second time I bought name brand bulbs as the first set of no names I bought lasted only about a year). That was MUCH better than the obscene $800 my Toyota dealer wanted to do the job. The HID bulbs are a well-known weak point for these Avvy's, and one of many reasons I won't be buying a Toyota again.