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0-60 is so yesterday!

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Re: I'd love to see... [robertsmx] by john_324
Jan 18, 2007 (1:25 pm)
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Replying to: robertsmx (Jan 18, 2007 1:01 pm)

Maybe a 5-50 mph time?
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Re: I'd love to see... [john_324] by robertsmx
Jan 18, 2007 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: john_324 (Jan 18, 2007 1:25 pm)

That would work. 5-60 is already a part of C&D road tests that I like. The more like it, the merrier.
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Audi S6, BMW M51, MB E63 AMG by saabgirl
Jan 18, 2007 (3:43 pm)
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The Feb Car & Driver that tested family sedans also tested the captioned rockets. Measurements included: 0-60, 0-100, 0-150, 30-50 and 50-70. The two latter are done in top gear.
 
The BMW gets from 0-100 in a snappy 10.3, but only manages 50-70 in 7.4. Looks like a typo, doesn't it?
 
The MB did 0-100 in 9.7 and 50-70 in 3.2.
 
0-60 times for these wailers was Audi, 5.4; BMW, 4.7; MB, 4.2.
 
What would Tom Cahill say about that?
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5-60 Test by th83
Jan 18, 2007 (3:46 pm)
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I know this is slightly off-topic, but how exactly is the 5-60 test done?
 
C/D's explanation of the test is pretty vague, leaving one to wonder if they get the car rolling 5 MPH before just stomping the throttle, or if they actually launch the car from a dead stop, only without their standard, abusive launch techniques (high-rpm clutch drops and the like) and wheelspin.
 
When Car & Driver tested an automatic Accord V6 like mine in their 12/05 issue, they managed a 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds and a 5-60 time of 7.1.
 
My own (admittedly unscientific) test results differ somewhat, with 0-60 and 5-60 being equal at 6.9 seconds. For the 0-60 test, I just stomp the throttle without using brake-torque (I'm not trying to destroy my transmission, after all) and start the timer just as the car begins to roll. My 5-60 is just as the name implies: I ease the car up to 5 MPH and then floor it so that there's no wheelspin whatsoever, starting the timer as soon as 5 MPH is reached and the throttle is floored.
 
It's strange that C/D's results show a half-second difference between the 0-60 and 5-60 tests, while my results show no difference at all.
 
Could a brake-torque launch really improve my car's 0-60 time by a half-second as opposed to just stomping the throttle outright? Or does C/D just do their 5-60 test differently than I do, accounting for the half-second discrepancy between the two tests? It'd be nice if my Accord could hit 60 in just 6.4 seconds, but I'm going to put my money on the latter. But, if so, how is their 5-60 test done?
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Re: 5-60 Test [th83] by blufz1
Jan 18, 2007 (4:08 pm)
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Replying to: th83 (Jan 18, 2007 3:46 pm)

Good point,th83, tests from a standstill are easier and more consistent than rolling starts. There are too many variables with rolling starts.
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Re: other testing and information. [bumpy] by bumpy
Jan 18, 2007 (4:14 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Jan 18, 2007 10:44 am)

http://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/auto/index.html
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Re: 5-60 Test [blufz1] by saabgirl
Jan 18, 2007 (4:59 pm)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Jan 18, 2007 4:08 pm)

tests from a standstill are easier and more consistent than rolling starts. There are too many variables with rolling starts.
 
For typical consumers who are better conncected to the seat of their pants than torque curves, that's an important observation. I know what zero is. But is 5 actually 3.5? 6.2? Or what? And the passing times that are limited to top gear just encourage skepticism IMHO.
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Re: 5-60 Test [blufz1] by cccompson
Jan 18, 2007 (5:17 pm)
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Replying to: blufz1 (Jan 18, 2007 4:08 pm)

Hmmm...maybe that's true with slower cars but, IMHO, it's just the other way around with high performance machines where launch skills/techniques can make a huge difference in timeslips.
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Re: 5-60 Test [cccompson] by blufz1
Jan 18, 2007 (5:44 pm)
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Replying to: cccompson (Jan 18, 2007 5:17 pm)

Benchmarks! We are talking about real world passenger car tests and car mag editor drivers not John Force and his Funny car.
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Audi S6, BMW M51, MB E63 AMG (saabgirl) by hpmctorque
Jan 18, 2007 (8:20 pm)
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"What would Tom Cahill say about that?"
 
He'd probably say something like, "these '07 technorods go like scalded banshees shot out of a cannon." Naw, I can't begin to he as humorous with words as Uncle Tom.

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