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Automotive News & Views 0-60 is so yesterday!
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Replying to: andres3 (Jan 29, 2007 11:17 pm) As far as your Honda/Audi comparison goes, here are numbers from C&D for 2004 Honda Accord Coupe V6 and 2006 Audi A3 2.0T. The curb weight is almost identical (3299 lb and 3246 lb respectively), and both cars were equipped with 6MT: 0-60: 5.9s (Accord V6), 6.5s (A3 2.0 Turbo) 5-60: 6.3s (Accord V6), 7.1s (A3 2.0 Turbo) Remember, at identical speeds, the car with better power/weight ratio wins. Torque is rendered useless (only as good as the HP it translates to), a reason you don't even see it mentioned in racing cars. |
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Replying to: wale_bate1 (Jan 27, 2007 1:29 pm)  ).
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Replying to: robertsmx (Jan 30, 2007 8:16 am) I've heard that back in the old days, like in the 50's and 60's, one of the quickest cars around from 0-10 was the VW Bug! Ironically, it was also one of the slowest when it came to 0-60, so yeah, 0-10 isn't necessarily the best indication of a car's overall performance. I do remember VW proclaiming in their ads that the Bug could reach its top speed considerably quicker than most other manufacturers' cars could reach theirs! 
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Jan 30, 2007 9:11 am) I'll replug it tonight. BTW, I thought my spelling lesson in EVO was extremely beneficial... 
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Replying to: robertsmx (Jan 30, 2007 8:16 am) An unfair comparison between the Honda V6 and Audi 2.0T in 0-60 and 5-60 is what you provided. How about you provide the automatic Accord's numbers vs. the Automatic DSG Audi? That's a better comparison, because the Honda will be slower, and the Audi will be quicker than their respective 6M times. No one in the world own's a 2003-2006 6MT Accord anyway, how many did they really sell, most Accord V6's are equipped with the slow to downshift (but still awesomely smooth) 5 speed auto.
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Replying to: wale_bate1 (Jan 27, 2007 1:29 pm) I believe that 0-60mph is definetly important but I believe that things like passing power are just as important. Like 50-80mph, 60-90mph and such, but I think that caranddriver should include the times when they floor it (automatic), or when they downshift it to the optimal gear (stick). That is where Mazda is a great vehicle because they think of the total package, rather than just 0-60. Like for example in the twisties the Mazda 3 s will out handle the Corvette!!! It won't out accelerate it, but mph for mph it stick better to the road and is more balanced. That is very important info to people that want a sporty handling 4door.
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Replying to: cobraboy1 (Jan 30, 2007 1:49 pm) Let me know if you to post it in the CX-9 thread instead. Seems to me a lot of the examples in here point up just how little we really glean from 0-60. I definitely think of all qualifications any car may have, straight line acceleration is a highly over-rated focus...
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Replying to: andres3 (Jan 30, 2007 1:26 pm) Screw automatic drivers.  If a sport coupe or sport sedan comes with a stick, that's what any warm blooded enthusiast should buy. And that's what should be road tested. It's particularly lame when C&D, R&T or Motor Trend does a comparison between cars like a Lexus GS430 and BMW 550i and then saddles the BMW with a slushbox to "make it fair", since the Lexus doesn't come with a manual. Fair to who? The lazy non-enthusiast slushbox driver that doesn't probably even read the darn magazine anyway? Sorry, I'm in a bad mood this afternoon. But if you read between my poor temperment above, I think the message is still valid. P.S. Audi's DSG is not really a "slushbox" automatic with a torque converter. It may not be my preferred three pedal manual, but it deserves respect. If that's what most enthusiast Audi buyers go for, then perhaps it should also be tested. But not against a Honda slushbox. I own a 2004 TL 6-speed and am pretty sure that there are at least as many Accords sold with 6-speeds. And a self proclaimed "driving enthusiast" that goes for a slushbox better get their Prozac prescription refilled.
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Replying to: wale_bate1 (Jan 30, 2007 2:11 pm) |
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