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#125 of 154 manual trannies by seminole_kev

Jan 29, 2007 (3:12 pm)

Well the one catch to not trying to avoid high RPM clutch drops with manually transmissions to help with the 0-60 times is that, you have to rev it a little to keep it from stalling. So you can't entirely avoid some reving before the clutch pedal is let out. Although I do agree that it should be something more reasonable to the average driver rather than some of the clutch smoking runs that the magazines do.

#126 of 154 Most useful by redmaxx

Jan 29, 2007 (4:17 pm)

I would say that the following would be the most useful:
 
0-80
0-100
15-50 (for those times you're in a slow moving lane and need to get up to speed in another lane)
50-80
 
In all cases the car should be warmed up and on level ground. For the 0 MPH starts, the driver should release the brake pedal and floor the accelerator (for an auto). Also would like to see how smoothly the car does it. For the tests that are not at 0, the car should be cruising at that speed for at least long enough for the car to settle into the highest gear the car will allow.
 
Most often I find that I need to go 0-80, 15-50 or 50-80. If the car is quick and smooth, that would be nice to know. My Vibe for example, at 15 MPH, if you floor it it takes some time for it to downshift, so those would be nice things to know.

#127 of 154 Re: Torque Vs. HP [robertsmx] by andres3

Jan 30, 2007 (12:17 am)

Replying to: robertsmx (Jan 27, 2007 8:34 pm)
Actually I'm comparing the 03 Accord 240 HP V6 to the 2.0L Turbo 4 from Audi/VW.
 
The Honda should win from 5 to 60 assuming the transmission isn't already in 2nd. The Audi should win from 0-60. I think we agree. Honda's are slow from 0 to 10, but once that VTEC kicks in and you get to that 240 HP curve, you're flying. But the 2.0L Turbo is an amazing engine too.

#128 of 154 Re: Torque Vs. HP [andres3] by seminole_kev

Jan 30, 2007 (5:59 am)

Replying to: andres3 (Jan 30, 2007 12:17 am)
"But the 2.0L Turbo is an amazing engine too."
 
Yes it is.

#129 of 154 Re: Torque Vs. HP [andres3] by robertsmx

Jan 30, 2007 (9:16 am)

Replying to: andres3 (Jan 30, 2007 12:17 am)
0-10? I bet even Viper doesn't have any advantage over most family sedans over that range of speeds. Remember, most cars are geared to hit redline between 35-45 mph in first gear, so at 10 mph, the cars are barely lugging at 1500 rpm. I don't see any point in 0-30 mph acceleration either (most cars do it in less than 2.5s).
 
As far as your Honda/Audi comparison goes, here are numbers from C&D for 2004 Honda Accord Coupe V6 and 2006 Audi A3 2.0T. The curb weight is almost identical (3299 lb and 3246 lb respectively), and both cars were equipped with 6MT:
 
0-60: 5.9s (Accord V6), 6.5s (A3 2.0 Turbo)
5-60: 6.3s (Accord V6), 7.1s (A3 2.0 Turbo)
 
Remember, at identical speeds, the car with better power/weight ratio wins. Torque is rendered useless (only as good as the HP it translates to), a reason you don't even see it mentioned in racing cars.

#130 of 154 wale_bate1 by kirstie_h HOST

Jan 30, 2007 (10:11 am)

Replying to: wale_bate1 (Jan 27, 2007 2:29 pm)
Please update the e-mail address in your profile to one that works. Tried to contact you, got a bounce-back (not a nastygram ).

#131 of 154 Re: Torque Vs. HP [robertsmx] by andre1969

Jan 30, 2007 (10:18 am)

Replying to: robertsmx (Jan 30, 2007 9:16 am)
0-10? I bet even Viper doesn't have any advantage over most family sedans over that range of speeds. Remember, most cars are geared to hit redline between 35-45 mph in first gear, so at 10 mph, the cars are barely lugging at 1500 rpm.
 
I've heard that back in the old days, like in the 50's and 60's, one of the quickest cars around from 0-10 was the VW Bug! Ironically, it was also one of the slowest when it came to 0-60, so yeah, 0-10 isn't necessarily the best indication of a car's overall performance.
 
I do remember VW proclaiming in their ads that the Bug could reach its top speed considerably quicker than most other manufacturers' cars could reach theirs!

#132 of 154 Re: wale_bate1 [kirstie_h] by wale_bate1

Jan 30, 2007 (10:23 am)

Replying to: kirstie_h (Jan 30, 2007 10:11 am)
Yeah, I only use that one at home (which is near never) so it goes dormant from time to time.
 
I'll replug it tonight.
 
BTW, I thought my spelling lesson in EVO was extremely beneficial...
 

#133 of 154 Re: Torque Vs. HP [robertsmx] by andres3

Jan 30, 2007 (2:26 pm)

Replying to: robertsmx (Jan 30, 2007 9:16 am)
As far as your Honda/Audi comparison goes, here are numbers from C&D for 2004 Honda Accord Coupe V6 and 2006 Audi A3 2.0T. The curb weight is almost identical (3299 lb and 3246 lb respectively), and both cars were equipped with 6MT:
 
An unfair comparison between the Honda V6 and Audi 2.0T in 0-60 and 5-60 is what you provided. How about you provide the automatic Accord's numbers vs. the Automatic DSG Audi?
 
That's a better comparison, because the Honda will be slower, and the Audi will be quicker than their respective 6M times. No one in the world own's a 2003-2006 6MT Accord anyway, how many did they really sell, most Accord V6's are equipped with the slow to downshift (but still awesomely smooth) 5 speed auto.

#134 of 154 Re: Horsepower, Torque, and Gearing [wale_bate1] by cobraboy1

Jan 30, 2007 (2:49 pm)

Replying to: wale_bate1 (Jan 27, 2007 2:29 pm)
Hey, I sell mazdas. Zoom Zoom.
 
I believe that 0-60mph is definetly important but I believe that things like passing power are just as important. Like 50-80mph, 60-90mph and such, but I think that caranddriver should include the times when they floor it (automatic), or when they downshift it to the optimal gear (stick).
 
That is where Mazda is a great vehicle because they think of the total package, rather than just 0-60. Like for example in the twisties the Mazda 3 s will out handle the Corvette!!! It won't out accelerate it, but mph for mph it stick better to the road and is more balanced. That is very important info to people that want a sporty handling 4door.

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