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Ford Expedition Towing Questions

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Re: After market addition of heavy duty trailer tow package (536) [dwsenko] by dwsenko
Apr 22, 2008 (5:15 am)
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Replying to: dwsenko (Apr 06, 2008 4:24 pm)

I ended up having the 536 HD Tow package installed after market by a dealer at dealer cost (long story) as part of the purchase of a used 2007 Expedition.
 
I don't have any cost information on the service receipt but if anyone is interested, I can go get it and post the part numbers here.
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Re: After market addition of heavy duty trailer tow package (536) [dwsenko] by woodye
Apr 27, 2008 (8:43 am)
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Replying to: dwsenko (Apr 22, 2008 5:15 am)

I got a 2007 Expedition with the light hitch, (dealer misrepresentation). If convenient, would you post the parts numbers necessary. Thanks.
woody
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Re: After market addition of heavy duty trailer tow package (536) [woodye] by dwsenko
May 20, 2008 (9:23 am)
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Replying to: woodye (Apr 27, 2008 8:43 am)

ok, so I am finally getting back to this
 
Qty....Number..............Description
1........7L1Z-7A095-B....Oil Cooler Asy
1........7L1Z-8005-B......Radiator Asy
1........7L1Z-7C410-C....Tube - Oil Coo
2........VC-7-B..............Anti-Freeze
2........XT-6-QSP..........Fluid - Transm
1........XT-5-QM............Fluid - Transm
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1........Not provided......7 Pin Conn
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Re: After market addition of heavy duty trailer tow package (536) [dwsenko] by woodye
May 20, 2008 (9:36 am)
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Replying to: dwsenko (May 20, 2008 9:23 am)

Thanks for taking the time to post the parts list. I could not get my Ford Dealer Parts people to even acknowlege there was a 536 package that existed and the service department denied any 2007 Expedition towed any more than 6000 #.
 
Longmont Ford in Longmont Colorado, by the way.
 
Woody
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Re: After market addition of heavy duty trailer tow package (536) [dwsenko] by dwsenko
May 20, 2008 (9:49 am)
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Replying to: dwsenko (May 20, 2008 9:23 am)

And just to be clear (my understanding), every Expedition's base package comes with the 6000 lb tow capacity and includes the class III/IV hitch and 4 pin connector. The 4 pin connector (not 7 pin) makes it easy to visually verify if you know this in advance as you look at used Expeditions without crisp window stickers and details. I am not sure if I kept running into stupid sales reps (at least three did not seem to know how to verify 6000 vs 9000 lb capacity) or they just wanted to try to get a sale.
 
The HD tow package increases the capacity from 6000 to 9000 lbs but does not include any changes to the hitch. It includes the larger oil cooler, larger radiator, 7 pin connector and brake wiring kit.
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Re: After market addition of heavy duty trailer tow package (536) [woodye] by dwsenko
May 20, 2008 (10:01 am)
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Replying to: woodye (May 20, 2008 9:36 am)

Woody,
 
Ford's "2008 Expedition & Expedition XL" color glossy marketing material generically references the "Heavy Duty Trailer Tow Package" (does not mention the exact package identifier) on page 27. Page 26 has the information on "Trailer Towing Applications" (the max tow capacity per Exp when properly equipped).
 
Ford's "2008 RV & Trailer Towing Guide" color glossy marketing material specifically references the 536 package and its details in a table of all the Tow packages for all Ford vehicles on page 14. Page 15 indicates the need for this package to get tow capacity above 6000 lbs.
 
I know this since I made copies of those pages to show to the dealer when I was having a debate with the dealer on if I already had the 536 package (no) and then what I expected them to add when they agreed I did not already have it!
 
The Exp glossy was readily avail at my local dealer. The sales rep brought out the Trailer Towing guide when I asked questions that he could not answer. Thinking I was about to buy a used Exp from them (I eventually went elsewhere), the sales rep gave me a copy of the RV & Trailer Towing Guide and admitted they don't leave them laying out and only have a couple in the dealership for reference.
 
Dan
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Re: After market addition of heavy duty trailer tow package (536) [dwsenko] by woodye
May 20, 2008 (10:54 am)
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Replying to: dwsenko (May 20, 2008 10:01 am)

Thanks Dan, I finally found everything you discussed; but, had to do it on my own and with the help of dwsenko and this blog.
 
I'm gathering everything now to head back to the dealer and show them, including the service and parts department the real facts.
 
I bought this as a "program" vehicle with 20000 miles specifically to two the 9000. I was assured that was the case. The sales person showed me the web site. The owners manual was missing and I didn't realize it was only a 6000# tow when they got me a new one. I understand the sales persons mistake. In 2007 the Ford info certainly did not point toward the limited version.
 
What I am really ticked about is their service and parts department couldn't get, didn't really try to get the right information when I went back last month.
 
Should be fun this afternoon.
 
Woody
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Re: After market addition of heavy duty trailer tow package (536) [woodye] by dwsenko
May 20, 2008 (11:50 am)
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Replying to: woodye (May 20, 2008 10:54 am)

Woody, I am dwsenko
 
More reference info here
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/717668-mod-expedition-for-heavy-duty-towing.ht- ml
 
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/655255-heavy-duty-tow-package-transmission-coo- ler-too-small.html
 
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/713613-heavy-duty-radiator-differences.html
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Re: After market addition of heavy duty trailer tow package (536) [woodye] by woodye
Jun 16, 2008 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: woodye (May 20, 2008 10:54 am)

To Dswenko, Thanks for all your help. I finally negotiated a similar deal with the selling dealership for the 536 package.
 
As you know, the hitch receiver is rated for 9,200#, there are electric brake wires and receivers installed. The only addition was a larger radiator and cooler, your parts numbers.
 
It was labor extensive, so I would advise anyone that thought they got the heavy tow package and didn't try to get the labor done by the dealership. I thought replacing a radiator was simple, I"ve done older vehicles a lot. Ford Expedition requires removing the whole front clip and a bunch of surounding stuff. I put in my own 7 pin plug that was easy since the electric brake control wiring was already in place.
 
I think I was billed retail for the radiator and cooler, I'm working on that; but, my total parts only bill was 454.90. Brake controller and pin recepticle totalled around $160; but, I got a high end Brake controller to match one on my motorhome.
 
Thanks again.
 
Woodye
 
Longmont Ford, Longmont Colorado was my dealer that finally came around.
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Re: After market addition of heavy duty trailer tow package (536) [woodye] by dwsenko
Jun 17, 2008 (9:22 am)
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Replying to: woodye (Jun 16, 2008 9:54 am)

Woodye,
 
 I did much of the same investigation so glad I could help. Sounds like you are where (or very near where) you want to be.

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