Last post on Feb 27, 2007 at 3:06 PM
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Ford Freestyle, Subaru Outback, Car Comparisons, Sedan, Wagon
#105 of 134 Re: CVTs [mmccloskey]
Feb 11, 2007 (5:02 pm)
"Honda has the Element and Civic Hybrid, both with CVT."
Sorry, there is no Element hybrid. Honda doesn't make an SUV hybrid at this time.
#106 of 134 Re: CVTs [stevedebi]
Feb 11, 2007 (5:37 pm)
Ok sorry, so Honda Element and the Nissans, still not a lot of CVTs out there in the grand scheme of things.
Anyone have % of cars sold with CVTs overall? I'd hazzard a guess less than 5%?
#107 of 134 Re: CVTs [paisan]
Feb 11, 2007 (5:42 pm)
"Anyone have % of cars sold with CVTs overall? I'd hazzard a guess less than 5%? "
I would also be interested to know. They have been available in Europe for a long time. I remember a friend having a Volvo with CVT back in the early 1980's.
#108 of 134 Re: CVTs [stevedebi]
Feb 11, 2007 (6:05 pm)
I was commenting that the Element and Civic Hybrid had CVT's, not that both were Hybird. The 2006 Accord Hybrid also had a CVT but not sure if that model is available in the 2007 model year. Of course CVT's are more prevalent in Europe than in the USA. Not sure what percentage, but that info is available via the WWW.
As usual -
M. J. McCloskey
#109 of 134 Re: CVTs [stevedebi]
Feb 11, 2007 (6:11 pm)
So naturally because there is no (insert % here) number that means they are less effective than a traditional AT. I love the story of the CVT not being able to go up a hill,
"The driver put his foot to the floor at one point and the car just sat there. Score one for CVT. That might just be the Ford implementation, though, or the unit could have been defective. Cannot say for sure..."
You admit that you cannot for sure say what the issue was or even that there was one as fact yet you offer it up as such on a forum questioning the effectiveness of a CVT.
Have you driven one, do you own one, do you KNOW the benefits on a day to day basis. My guess is no, I do, I wrote the check and bought one, I know MY Freestyle was never meant to tow, I know it was built as a people/stuff hauler which it does exceptionally well despite being "underpowered"(another inaccuracy).
As I noted opinions of armchair test drivers need not apply as they are pointless and a waste of bandwidth. Do the homework, drive one, live with one, then tell me what you think after you have an opinion that is based in experience rather than hyperbole.
#110 of 134 Re: CVTs [freealfas]
Feb 11, 2007 (6:24 pm)
No one said they were bad. "not being sold on it yet" does not constitute a negative. So I guess we should all go out and buy everything we are interested in?
Why don't you inform us as this is a discussion group, rather than just spout out how we are downing it.
#111 of 134 Re: CVTs [paisan]
Feb 11, 2007 (7:03 pm)
I have "informed' here and on other forums. I get a little tired of constantly hearing that the FS being underpowered and the CVT being a weak link by people who don't own one or would not consider one soley based on the fact that the FS has a CVT or what they read here.
The seamless aspect of the CVT is a nice suprise, combine that with the improved mileage the CVT imparts, the fewer moving pieces therebye providing less opportunity for failure and a winner of a gearbox. I have seen 28mpg with 7 people up and a steady 65mph cruise. Combine that with the safety ratings, the fact that it has all the power a vehicle of this type needs and you have a great package.
I have only criticized one aspect of the FS and that is its interior material selection. We have been spoiled by our 98 Passat and the quality of its interior and know that quality can indeed be provided at a price point.
It gets a little old coming to these forums for information, insight and advice and then have to sift through all the opinions implied as fact more often than not based in nothingness, not even a test drive in most cases.
But hey, what do I know...
#112 of 134 Re: CVTs [freealfas]
Feb 11, 2007 (7:16 pm)
So here is a questions for yah on the CVT, how is the MPG v. non CVT on the FS? I'm not sure if there is a non CVT to compare em, but just curious. I haven't driven one yet so I can't comment on the pickup or smoothness of the CVTs. I wouldn't buy a Ford personally just due to very bad past experience with an Escort, Crown Vic and Lincoln Town Car.
I did see a FS in front of me at the car was a week ago, it is pretty darn big. Kind of reminded me of the 1980s Chevy Caprice Station Wagons that my parent's friends owned in terms of the dimensions. Not a bad thing as I'll be they handle way better than those Caprices did!
#113 of 134 Re: CVTs [paisan]
Feb 12, 2007 (9:13 am)
Aren't all Freestyles CVTs?
The Five Hundred came with both, though. The CVT got 20/27 EPA mpg, and the 6 speed auto in the same car got 21/29.
That's one factor, there is also acceleration, plus many others.
FWIW, Consumer Reports rates the CVT on the Freebie as "worse than average" in terms of reliability.
The Five Hundred scores better there and overall, and that's the main powertrain difference.
I think paisan's "not sold on it yet" is a valid concern.
#114 of 134 Re: CVTs [mmccloskey]
Feb 12, 2007 (10:32 am)
Dodge Caliber also has CVT.