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Re: Looking for "Dealer cost" on the '07 Civic GX [cnguser]
by hondagxsales
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Jan 22, 2007 (6:04 pm)
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Replying to: cnguser (Jan 10, 2007 9:39 pm)
I am the Alt Fuels specialist at Robertson's Palmdale Honda in Palmdale, Ca. I may be contacted at the Dealership directly. It's sad that GX's are left in the hands of fleet Sales that typically don't know anything about the car except the invoice price. Our store has set up a seperate alt fuels dept and will be the first Honda Dealer in the nation with a CNG Station open to the publis. It should go online in February. As far as the dealer cost, there's very little profit in a GX. Perhaps you should be focused on the benefits and fuel savings the GX will give you. Besides, what else can you buy that has a $4,000 tax Credit? There's your big savings. I have also secured additional grants for my customers that can total another $5,000 in cash. Fleet Depts can give cars away but rarely can even tell you even the most basic information about incentives in your area, how the car works (beyond the most basic information, sometimes as little as "the pointy end is the front") My hats off to the fleet guy in Cerritos that joined in, at least he's trying.
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Honda Employees are looking HERE.
by thatdeonguy
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Jan 23, 2007 (9:19 am)
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Wow Everybody!
This little group has really come full circle.
Honda employees are looking here for information.
If you go back through all the early posts in this group.
We would have loved to have some participation from Honda corporate or dealers.
But thanks to the members of this forum we have figured out most of our issues with the GX & PHILL.
It is great to have you guys on board. I know that I am looking forward to upgrading from my 7th generation GX as soon as I wear it out. 
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Re: Honda Employees are looking HERE. [thatdeonguy]
by hondagxsales
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Jan 23, 2007 (2:50 pm)
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Replying to: thatdeonguy (Jan 23, 2007 9:19 am)
Well, you're half right. One of the HONDA guys was looking for information. The other is a GX/Phill expert with information to give.
Curtis
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Re: Honda Employees are looking HERE. [hondagxsales]
by lakewood90712
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Jan 24, 2007 (12:22 pm)
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Replying to: hondagxsales (Jan 23, 2007 2:50 pm)
Hondagxsales , and emacias. You guys really need to have a serious talk with Honda on the cost of GX fuel filters. If an owner follows the regular maintenance schedule of low pressure every 10K ( approx $190) and high pressure filter every 30K ( approx $178), at customer pay rates, that is about $724 for 30,000 miles of driving. The low press. filters is sim. to an oil filter and costs $125-$145 retail + labor , high press. $ 45 + labor. Total cost per 30,000 miles of driving is almost 50 % of what I paid for fuel at the high cost public stations ! I have cut open an old filter and nothing in it justifies the cost. At 90,000 miles I'm very unhappy about gx maintenance cost's.I'm done with today's rant. Thank you.
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Re: Honda Employees are looking HERE. [lakewood90712]
by hondagxsales
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Jan 24, 2007 (10:21 pm)
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Replying to: lakewood90712 (Jan 24, 2007 12:22 pm)
I agree. However, I'll give you some insight from another expert. An (unnamed) gas co official in the alternative fuels dept. and a gx owner since 2001 tells me that he only inspects his filters at 100k mi and would only replace them if the car was not running correctly. The cleanliness of the gas makes clogging highly unlikely. Another gx owner I spoke to who was driving a 2000 model says he changes them every other recommended service. I can only tell you that the factory schedule is recommended to prevent fuel system problems that could effect your cars efficiency and that doing otherwise could impact your warranty (while under the factory or extended warranty period.) Do what you will with this information. I hope you find it useful.
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Re: Honda Employees are looking HERE. [hondagxsales]
by bank1avp
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Jan 25, 2007 (6:55 am)
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Replying to: hondagxsales (Jan 24, 2007 10:21 pm)
It's no different than your mechanic telling you to change your oil every 3 months or 3000 miles. It's all money motivated. Lexus tried to get me to change out an interior air filter ($80 parts, $300 labor to rip the dash apart) When I asked what it was for, they told me so that I didn't have any unpleassant smells inside the car....PASS....
If you are pumping your CNG from a well, then yes change it often, but if your NG is pipe line quality I think you're just giving your money to honda, Buy Honda stock if you choose the later of the two.
130,000 miles on my wife's CNG Suburban and never changed the filter and have never had a problem with the NG side. However pipe line quality NG
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Re: Looking for "Dealer cost" on the '07 Civic GX [hondagxsales]
by emacias
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Jan 25, 2007 (12:58 pm)
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Replying to: hondagxsales (Jan 22, 2007 6:04 pm)
Hi hondagxsales...a little note just to be clear on something regarding "Fleet Sales" and yes, there are those true dedicated fleet salesman that only know invoice on a car and what they can sell it for after incentives and holdback and different personal motivations on specific models that Honda is pushing but I don't want that to be a picture portrayed about the Fleet Sales guys in this local area and specifically in Cerritos where the sales margin is 285% more just in zone contribution sales. A Fleet manager around here is also The Internet Manager, AAA Rep. , Costco Rep. , Alternative Fuel Department Rep. (yes, and there are two of us...say hi at the next zone meeting) , Occasional Closer, and an ASE Certified Tech. and local Sherrif (j/k)...so thanks for the nod about "at least trying" because I do believe whole heartedly in this Car and ensuring a better future for my children. I don;t want anyone to think that I just know "The pointy end" and I am sure you were not reffering to me as we have never met, but again, just to back up the local dealers here in this area...and there are about 10 I can name just off hand, the GX reps in this area are extrememly sharp and offer tons of knowledge and information and more than likely miss a sale due to convenience of location and availability...that's all. I browse this sight to get a feel for what's ahappening after a sale and problems and concerns I can help address maybe even before they become a problem with future clients...just wanted to get that out there..and I'm glad to see that GX sales are going strong in your area and that you will soon be adding another fueling station to help with the infrastructure out there in the desert.
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Re: Looking for "Dealer cost" on the '07 Civic GX [emacias]
by hondagxsales
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Jan 25, 2007 (11:16 pm)
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Replying to: emacias (Jan 25, 2007 12:58 pm)
My hats off to you. Nice to meet a professional. I have called a number of dealerships to see if thay are marketing the vehicle and who's handling it. I only spoke to one that even knew anything about it. Most don't really want to be bothered by a low production unit that requires so much time to become conversant about. Some don't even want to carry the car. Alt fuels is the future of cars. It's a serious issue and the swell in intrest hasn't even gotten going yet. Wait till gas get's back up there this summer. My hat's off to the members of this group, and others like it who have had to carry the ball in our absence for so long. They have created a society of concern and support that has made the CNG owners a viable force. I'll call you at the store and say hi. By the way, If you want to tap into a bigger pool of information, visit my Yahoo GX owners group "Civicgxtalk" and the other Yahoo group I moderate for "Civicgxngv". Speak to you soon. Curtis
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Re: Honda Employees are looking HERE. [bank1avp]
by randyl712
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Feb 06, 2007 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: bank1avp (Jan 25, 2007 6:55 am)
"Lexus tried to get me to change out an interior air filter ($80 parts, $300 labor to rip the dash apart) When I asked what it was for, they told me so that I didn't have any unpleassant smells inside the car....PASS...."
That really cracks me up - you bought a car that has a FEATURE (interior air cleaner) and you're breaking THEIR ba!!s about replacing the filter? (BTW - most can be replaced in about 2 min by removing the glove box - check your manual!)
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Re: Honda Employees are looking HERE. [randyl712]
by bank1avp
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Feb 07, 2007 (6:55 am)
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Replying to: randyl712 (Feb 06, 2007 1:12 pm)
Would you for $380 to change a filter. Especially at their recommended interval.
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