#829 of 835 Just to compare notes by anythngbutgm

Sep 19, 2007 (5:37 am)

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The programming of the the automatic transmission in the XR is atrocious, and borderline dangerous. I've almost been rear-ended on 3 separate occasions, and, in another instance broadsided, on uphill climbs b/c of the transmission's stubborn refusal to downshift when the accelerator pedal is depressed. It appears to me that the transmission is almost always running 2 gears too high in most driving conditions and the accelerator's and transmission's response to input is between .25 and .5 second too slow.
 
In manual mode, this is not an issue, and I find the transmission responds quickly and smoothly to the paddles and accelerator.
 
And steering problems...
 
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Just want to keep the Toyota haters on their toes

#830 of 835 Another perspective -- this one of the Buick Enclave by 210delray

Sep 19, 2007 (6:08 am)

#831 of 835 Hesitation by ateixeira

Sep 19, 2007 (7:18 am)

84 complaints out of 324,000+ cars sold
 
Good point. That's really not bad at all.
 
Where in the USA are they offering $7000 rebates? I'd like to know so I can buy me one of them Tundras!
 
Same here, tell me where I can get a $7000 rebate and I'm in, and I don't even like trucks!
 
Hesitation - I think this is mostly a matter of expectations. Toyota made a trade-off here, for more quiet operation they created a two-stage intake. At low rpm, under less than half throttle, only one path is open. This way there is less noise.
 
Above a certain rpm, or when the throttle is open more than halfway (i.e. you floor it), the 2nd intake path opens for max power (and more noise).
 
Toyota felt that the average Camry buyer wanted isolation and quiet, so this is the trade-off.
 
To be fair, this is something that occurs all the time, including on the test drive the buyer took, presumably. It's not like Toyota tunes it for max power and then flicks a switch to make it more quiet when you drive off the lot.
 
This link details the intake, and how you can rig it to remain open (both paths) all the time. Just be prepared for more noise.
 
http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/gabby/intake_mod.htm
 
Here is a good photo:
 

 
Note that this applies to both the 3MZ and 2GR engines.
 
So why the hesitation? You floor it, a vacuum has to be established, that opens the 2nd intake path. Until that happens it's not making full power.
 
Pretty simple explanation. The lesson here is TAKE A GOOD TEST DRIVE, because anyone with half a brain can feel how the engine works during that test.

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• gagrice (Sep 19, 2007 12:06 pm)
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  • louiswei (Sep 19, 2007 12:33 pm)

#832 of 835 Re: Hesitation [ateixeira] by gagrice

Sep 19, 2007 (12:06 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 19, 2007 7:18 am)

Same here, tell me where I can get a $7000 rebate and I'm in, and I don't even like trucks!
 
MSRP on loaded Crew Max $48,540. Sale price without rebate in San Diego $46,145. Discounted $2395. Normal interest 7.25%. Toyota offering 0.0% four years. Interest savings $5241. You add those two and you get a grand total savings of $7636. Very simple. Toyota is discounting the Tundra by OVER $7000 to unload them.....
 
You did ask! Send me a pic of you in your new Tundra...

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• gagrice (Sep 19, 2007 12:24 pm)
• louiswei (Sep 19, 2007 12:33 pm)

#833 of 835 Re: Hesitation [gagrice] by gagrice

Sep 19, 2007 (12:24 pm)

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#834 of 835 Re: Hesitation [gagrice] by louiswei

Sep 19, 2007 (12:33 pm)

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#835 of 835 recess by steve_ HOST

Sep 19, 2007 (12:35 pm)