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#816 of 835 Re: Shameful Side of Lean. [louiswei] by user777

Sep 18, 2007 (2:11 pm)

Replying to: louiswei (Sep 18, 2007 1:43 pm)
That Camry owner complained about the cruise is an idiot. I am sorry about the name calling but there is just no other terms to put it.
 
no, i believe the person is a vehicle owner like you and i with expectations that using cruise shouldn't be an experience with un-necessary, or better stated, excessive shifting. MAYBE the vehicle's current gearing, torque convertor design and engine HP are fundamentally incompatible in this regard.
 
this person is not the only person to complain about shifting issues and specifically cruise control.
 
yes, i own an I4 and V6 Honda and they will shift on a sloping grade, but neither excessively.
 
THEY ALL SHIFTED BY ITSELF. What other way would you make the car keeping a certain speed if it is going uphill other than downshift?
 
excuse me, but there are going to be some readers of your post that are going to see that you are stating the obvious, and you're probably missing the poster's point.
 
but no one is going to call you an idiot (unless they just want to prove me wrong for the sake of doing so).
 
try to think WHY a person would complain about a behavior... it's most likely because their new vehicle does something or doesn't do something all their other vehicles, maybe even a previous gen toyota camry didn't or did do respectively.

#817 of 835 Re: Shameful Side of Lean. [larsb] by gagrice

Sep 18, 2007 (2:28 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Sep 18, 2007 1:47 pm)
Something is maybe suspicious about that poster, Gary.
 
Fair enough. How about the others that have had the hesitation problem? If you noticed in the in the review I posted from one of the millions of happy 2007 Camry owners. His take was, the hesitation did not bother him. Kind of like all the squeaks, thumps and rattles do not bother you. That does not make it less of a problem to those it does bother. The Cruise shifting, does sound questionable. I don't like cruise in mountainous regions for that reason.
 
Hate is kind of a strong word to use toward a mere automaker. If they built something I liked I would buy it. Same goes for Honda. I just try to keep a balance with all the GM bashers that believe so strongly that the Japanese are superior vehicle builders. All cars have problems. It is good to see that Toyota is being tested like never before.

#818 of 835 Re: Shameful Side of Lean. [gagrice] by larsb

Sep 18, 2007 (3:06 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Sep 18, 2007 2:28 pm)
Gary says, "Kind of like all the squeaks, thumps and rattles do not bother you."
 
I think maybe you have the wrong idea about my car.
 
I don't have any noticeable squeaks, bumps or rattles.
 
It's not that I'm ignoring them.
 
It's that they don't exist.

 
But if they DID exist, I would not be marching into the dealer demanding a replacement car.
 
To my knowledge, there are no $27,000 cars which are completely "bump, squeak, and rattle-free" 100% of the time.
 
Condemning an automobile manufacturer because they did not invent a bank-vault silent car for under $30K is kind of silly.
 
The 2007 Camry "hesitation problem" has apparently generated at least one TSB that is supposed to resolve the hesitation issue: TSB #EG056-56. That is the only TSB reported at NHTSA.GOV for the 2007 Camry transmission hesistation issue.
 
There are 84 owner complaints at NTHSA for the tranny issues. Most are the hesitation thing. It appears to really be an issue for some owners.
 
But let's frame it relatively to the number of cars sold now: That's 84 complaints out of 324,000+ cars sold. So for every 3,857 cars sold, one of them has a problem.
 
Seems like a pretty small issue. I'm sure the people who are having it happen to THEM don't think it's a small issue, but relative to number of cars sold, it really is.
 
PS Maybe I'm spoiled, because there are only 9 complaints about the 2007 TCH. I musta chose the right car !!! LOL

#819 of 835 Cruise control by 210delray

Sep 18, 2007 (7:03 pm)

My reaction about the excessive shifting on upgrades is that people are expecting too much. Conversely, they fret that the car overspeeds on downgrades.
 
Maybe they're coming from a 4-speed or even a 3-speed automatic (the Neon used the latter through the 90s as I recall). So if you have a 5-speed auto coupled to a relatively low horsepower 4-cylinder (say 160 these days), the car will downshift to 4th or even 3rd on steeper Interstate grades in the Appalachians, close to where I live. The New River Gorge on I-64 in West Virginia is an example, featuring as I recall, at least a 6% grade over 5 miles.
 
The way I handle this is simple: I use cruise on the flatter stretches, but on steeper upgrades, I always hit the "cancel" button and use my right foot to modulate the road speed. Generally I can keep the car from downshifting to 3rd. When the road flattens out again, I accelerate using my foot, and then hit "resume." For long downgrades, OTOH, I downshift manually to 4th, and keep the cruise on. Works pretty well for me.

#820 of 835 Re: Shameful Side of Lean. [larsb] by gagrice

Sep 18, 2007 (7:44 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Sep 18, 2007 3:06 pm)
PS Maybe I'm spoiled, because there are only 9 complaints about the 2007 TCH. I musta chose the right car !!! LOL
 
I think you did. The only complaints I have read are the noise issues. Which as you have pointed out has a lot to do with how quiet the car is in stealth mode.
 
I do think you are defending the wrong side on the hesitation issue. Even people that have given it a "10" noticed the hesitation and just live with it. Many people have no idea what a good car car is. If they got rid of an Echo and jumped into a new Camry they would be thrilled. If you decided to downsize from an LS430 to a 2007 Camry you would probably be upset with the QC.

#821 of 835 Re: Shameful Side of Lean. [larsb] by rockylee

Sep 18, 2007 (7:53 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Sep 18, 2007 3:06 pm)
Condemning an automobile manufacturer because they did not invent a bank-vault silent car for under $30K is kind of silly.
 
Well you could buy a VW Passat or a Buick to get that kind of silent bank-vault experience.
 
So what is the latest "GLITCH" going on with Toyota, these days ????? I'm out of the loop !!!! I will assume they haven't addressed the Sludge & Tranny issues yet ?
 
-Rocky

#822 of 835 Re: Shameful Side of Lean. [rockylee] by gagrice

Sep 18, 2007 (8:00 pm)

Replying to: rockylee (Sep 18, 2007 7:53 pm)
The sludgers are all recycled into 6 speed transmissions that are not ready for prime time.. The 2007 Camry lurches, hesitates and generally does not show a sophistication that Toyota Camry owners are accustomed to having. Other than that it is ugly.

#823 of 835 Re: Shameful Side of Lean. [gagrice] by rockylee

Sep 18, 2007 (8:05 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Sep 18, 2007 8:00 pm)
So why don't ya tell us how you really feel.
 
Well those issues are a direct result of "OPERATOR ERROR"
 
-Rocky

#824 of 835 Re: Shameful Side of Lean. [rockylee] by gagrice

Sep 18, 2007 (8:17 pm)

Replying to: rockylee (Sep 18, 2007 8:05 pm)
Just keepin' the GM bashers on their toes over here. I think they got the bugs outta the Tundra so it isn't much fun except the $7000 in rebates, incentives and low interest to sell them.

#825 of 835 Re: Shameful Side of Lean. [gagrice] by rockylee

Sep 18, 2007 (9:31 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Sep 18, 2007 8:17 pm)
Yeah, it just proves to the world that everything toyota, touches doesn't neccessary turn to gold.-grin
 
-Rocky

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