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#796 of 835 Re: For anyone thinking about buying a Camry... [gagrice] by ateixeira

Sep 17, 2007 (11:38 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Sep 17, 2007 10:52 am)
How many happy Camry owners did you find when you looked?
 
Or did you not look?
 
That's called slanted reporting. You have an agenda that you set out to prove, and use selective reading to find only the people complaining.
 
I haven't once gotten less than 23mpg in my V6 Sienna minivan, I can't imagine 22mpg in a Camry. It's the driver, not the car.

#797 of 835 Re: For anyone thinking about buying a Camry... [ateixeira] by gagrice

Sep 17, 2007 (3:19 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 17, 2007 11:38 am)
That's called slanted reporting.
 
The question at hand, is Toyota reliability problems a glitch? My position, it IS. Sure there were people happy with their Camry. Like larsb, that is willing to put up with squeaks and rattles in a new car.
 
Here is fair and balanced. This person gave the Camry a "10" I post his comments:
 
Looking for a basic family sedan, I drove numerous brands over many months. The quality of construction, ride, quietness, and legroom are excellent. While the 4 cylinder does not have the punch of the Honda Accord 4 cylinder, the comfort and quietness of the ride won out. Others have complained about the "pause" on downshift when hitting the gas. It's there. But it doesn't bother me the way I drive. Seating front and rear is excellent.

#798 of 835 Re: For anyone thinking about buying a Camry... [gagrice] by larsb

Sep 17, 2007 (3:45 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Sep 17, 2007 3:19 pm)
If he has a "pause" on downshift when hitting the gas, he might have the software bug that Toyota fixed before 10-1-2006.
 
And I'm not "willing to put up with squeaks and rattles" in a new car. A more apt description would be that I am "someone who understands that cars are not bank vaults and they will have minor squeaks and rattles as a NORMAL part of being a car."
 
If you want "near total silence" while driving a car, you need to find another planet.

#799 of 835 Re: For anyone thinking about buying a Camry... [larsb] by gagrice

Sep 17, 2007 (3:56 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Sep 17, 2007 3:45 pm)
That is what I have been saying all along. TOYOTA has NOT fixed the problem This poster just bought his Camry. The guy that has had his in the shop 3 times has it in the shop NOW.
 
Not everyone feels they should listen to squeaks and rattles in a new car. I know you are familiar with the thread on "Squeaks and Rattles in the Camry Hybrid". Trying to listen to classical music with a squeak here and a thump there is not acceptable. I had to track down a squeak in my wife's Lexus. It drove me crazy till I found it. Yes I do expect to have them in an 18 year old vehicle. Not a vehicle still under warranty.

#800 of 835 Re: For anyone thinking about buying a Camry... [210delray] by gagrice

Sep 17, 2007 (4:09 pm)

Replying to: 210delray (Sep 17, 2007 11:37 am)
And as I pointed out, I'm sure you can find 50-60 complaints quite easily on any reasonably popular car;
 
Well to be fair it should be the closest competitor to the 2007 Camry. The 2007 Accord. I see 28 owners of the 07 Camry giving it a rating under 5.0. I only see one Accord under 5.0.
 
And I reiterate, the point is, Toyota in there exuberance to sell the most vehicles have put out two trouble prone models in 2007. They have built their reputation on reliability and it is faltering.

#801 of 835 Re: For anyone thinking about buying a Camry... [gagrice] by imidazol97

Sep 17, 2007 (5:17 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Sep 17, 2007 3:56 pm)
No squeaks or rattles in my 10-year old leSabre with 150K miles. Same true for 03 leSabre with 60K miles. I sure wouldn't stand for a car costing that much having squeaks. When I test drove an 03 Accord there was a plastic rattle in it along with popping sound when it went into a driveway. That with road noise made it less attractive. The 03 Camry was much better but just didn't "feel" right when I sat in it.

#802 of 835 Re: For anyone thinking about buying a Camry... [gagrice] by ateixeira

Sep 18, 2007 (8:12 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Sep 17, 2007 3:19 pm)
I feel better now that I made you post something nice about a Toyota. Once. Ever.
 
Every car will have glitches, I guarantee it.
 
If you tell me your Buick/Toyota/Mercedes is perfect drive it over and I bet I can find 3-4 things wrong with it.
 
You are merely pointing out the 1 or 2 issues that a few owners are having with their new cars. Toyota sells millions of Camrys, of course people are going to report a few problems.
 
When we see a pattern, a recall is issued. Until then, we red flag the issue and follow it closely. It's too early to give the verdict.
 
The 6 speed auto is definitely red flagged, let's see how many of them are affected long-term and what Toyota does about it.

#803 of 835 Re: For anyone thinking about buying a Camry... [ateixeira] by user777

Sep 18, 2007 (9:38 am)

Replying to: ateixeira (Sep 18, 2007 8:12 am)
When we see a pattern, a recall is issued. Until then, we red flag the issue and follow it closely. It's too early to give the verdict.
 
This is factually untrue.
 
A pattern developed early. Toyota did not issue a recall, it started formulating TSBs, which some dealers are STILL evidently not aware of because some people have had to obtain copies here to print and bring to service providers.
 
During that time, the general feedback provided to numerous owners was (and on numerous visits, sometimes to more than one dealer), there is no issue, the car is operating as designed, or they all do this, or the unit is adapting to your style of driving, or you have to re-learn how to drive a vehicle with a "Smart" transmission.
 
We even had 3 threads here at Edmunds shutdown related to Hesitation in the past year or so because people couldn't be civil about did the problem exist or not. Most if not all of the naysayers who tried to convince everyone that a problem didn't exist have been long long gone. TSBs have come and gone with updates to superscede older TSBs prepared in the process.
 
Please don't marginalize how far people have come looking to make sense of this. It's taken a lot of effort for them to get this front and center and addressed. For some, their experience is far from over.

#804 of 835 Re: For anyone thinking about buying a Camry... [user777] by imidazol97

Sep 18, 2007 (10:08 am)

Replying to: user777 (Sep 18, 2007 9:38 am)
>This is factually untrue.
 
Amen to tat.
 
All you said is right on.
 
I keep thinking about how this would have been handled posterwise if this were a Ford problem or GM problem being discussed in a thread about their car. We all know how it would have had a whole different tone to the posts.
 
As for the wait-and-see, I think that this was the snap-ring issue's real purpose and that was to put out PR about a minor problem. But in reality it's a big, wide spread problem. I have to say I'm much more impressed with Honda's handling of their 2nd gear overheating problem by coming out with a jury-rigged fix and having their dealers face it headon.

#805 of 835 Re: For anyone thinking about buying a Camry... [user777] by ateixeira

Sep 18, 2007 (10:32 am)

Replying to: user777 (Sep 18, 2007 9:38 am)
You're splitting hairs a bit, no?
 
TSB, recall, until they figure out which ones are affected (because not all of them are, obviously) and what the fix is, we won't have the final verdict.
 
I see new Camrys all over the place and have yet to see one on the side of the road broken down. The way some folks here talk you'd think that every single new Camry were on a tow truck.
 
Where's the roll eyes emotorcon?

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