Last post on Mar 02, 2010 at 9:36 AM
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Nissan Murano, Toyota Highlander, Subaru B9 Tribeca, Honda Pilot, Acura MDX, Volkswagen Touareg, SUV
#776 of 800 Re: 08 Highlander vs 09 Murano vs 08 Pilot [carchatnj]
Feb 09, 2008 (8:46 pm)
What major blind spots do you see in the 09 Murano? I was interested in the Murano and trying to find out what other people have to say about it. thx.
#777 of 800 Re: 08 Highlander vs 09 Murano vs 08 Pilot [nmsg]
Feb 11, 2008 (10:41 am)
I haven't had an opportunity to test drive the new Murano, but I know the 08 and older models have major blind spots out the back...I believe because the window is so small and curved.
#778 of 800 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [chelentano]
Feb 11, 2008 (12:07 pm)
There is no Subaru offroad rally wins
Oh gosh, where do I start?
Ever heard of WRC? The Kenya rally? It's off road, all right.
That is the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard. I have to laugh.
#779 of 800 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [chelentano]
Feb 11, 2008 (12:19 pm)
So no Mitsubishi Outlander has ever passed the ramp test, then?
I guess you give up, then?
Why not call around and take your Outlander to a local 4x4 event, they have those ramps. Bring a video camera.
Don't worry I don't expect an answer from you, even if you do go.
My challenge was for you to prove the Outlander's AWD could do that, and you come back with a cool yet completely irrelevant video of an EVO and a Pajero.
Driving in snow is fun, but we're talking about power transfer under frictionless conditions, so neither of those videos qualifies. We're talking ICE, not snow. Still irrelevant.
You can continue to live in denial about Subaru having phenomenal AWD systems for the vehicles in this class, with video proof for those who have open eyes to see.
#780 of 800 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [chelentano]
Feb 11, 2008 (12:27 pm)
this Outlander AWD performance is impressive:
In the first one he nearly gets stuck at around 15-18 seconds.
Also, he never comes to a full stop, instead relying on forward momentum to keep going.
On the 2nd one, at about 1:35 it shows the Outlander plowing the snow from a lack of ground clearance.
Also, in at least two spots on the video you can tell the front wheels are spinning a lot faster than the rear, note the rooster tail of snow.
Fun videos but let's see one on that ramp.
Seriously, take yours to a local 4x4 event. It would be very revealing. In theory it should be capable, given the lock button and the traction control, so go for it!
#781 of 800 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [chelentano]
Feb 11, 2008 (12:44 pm)
Still you did not show any evidence to support your claim that Subaru AWD system would be capable of "100% power transfer to either axle".
Pay closer attention to this video:
At the 2:48 point, the AWD system shifts power to the rear axle and the front wheels stop spinning. That Forester doesn't even have traction control, so it can only be one thing accomplishing that - 100% power transfer to the rear axle.
At 3:08, the AWD system shifts power to the front axle, and the rear axle never even begins spinning. Again, there is no traction control, so we have 100% power transfer to the front axle.
There's your proof.
For 2009 models traction and stability control were made standard, which would aid in side-to-side power transfer. The Tribeca always had it.
#782 of 800 Honda Pilot won my vote
Feb 11, 2008 (2:10 pm)
I was researching the exact same vehicles before deciding on the Pilot finally. I was getting much better offers for the Value Package AWD Pilot compared to the base models of all other vehicles. The dealers seemed much more willing to dip into their holdback at Honda also. I suppose I was fairly partial to Honda's from prior experience, so that helped. As word of warning, the "compare" option for most of the vehicles seem to leave out or mislabel a few features from each competitor. That can be expected, however. Just use sites like Consumer Reports or Edmunds to get a full comparison.
As far as looks go, the Pilot is definitely not the hottest daughter. I think it still looks rugged, and somewhat refined. I wasn't looking for all the bells and whistles though. Just a basic, three row SUV to keep my family safe and not give me much trouble in the long haul. My personal opinion (and that of Motor Trend, Consumer Reports, and a few others) went to the Pilot. Resale value should be great as with most of these vehicles. Just my $0.02. Cheers!
#783 of 800 Re: Honda Pilot won my vote [joeyjoejoe]
Feb 11, 2008 (2:55 pm)
Nice work; the Pilot is an excellent buy right now...
#784 of 800 Re: Honda Pilot won my vote [joeyjoejoe]
Feb 11, 2008 (3:45 pm)
Having seen the concept for the upcoming Pilot, I'd say yours looks a whole lot better.
Most the reactions I heard from others was similar - not an improvement at all.
#785 of 800 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [ateixeira]
Feb 11, 2008 (7:02 pm)
The vast majority of WRC is not off-road. The Monte Carlo segment, where the Subaru won, was on finest French roads.
The Kenya Safari Rally - yes. That's a good example of off-road rally. Subaru won 4 times - good job, but Mitsubishi won there 8 times - great job! Dakar Rally: Subaru 0, Mitsu 12! Are you still laughing? I guess I got the best laugh :--)