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Nissan Murano, Toyota Highlander, Subaru B9 Tribeca, Honda Pilot, Acura MDX, Volkswagen Touareg, SUV
#767 of 800 08 Highlander vs 09 Murano vs 08 Pilot
Feb 05, 2008 (9:06 am)
I am just starting my SUV search and am interested in the 08 Highlander, 09 Murano, and 08 Pilot. I have never owned an SUV, so am not sure which would be the best option for a "first timer." I have read reviews and see that most people love the 08 Highlander. I love the look of that and the new Murano, but see that the Murano has very limited interior storage space and some major blind spots. I'm not quite sold on the Pilot, and am really just considering it because I know Honda makes great vehicles and it's relatively reasonably priced. Does anyone have any advice? Or suggestions on comparable SUV's that I should consider? I would also be interested in finding out how much people have paid for these vehicles in the NJ area. Thanks!
#768 of 800 Re: 08 Highlander vs 09 Murano vs 08 Pilot [carchatnj]
Feb 05, 2008 (10:37 am)
Since you seem to be just getting started, my suggestion would be to go to the Philadelphia auto show, which starts this week.
There you can sample them all back to back, without any pressure from salesmen.
Test fit each one, see how seat comfort is, check out cargo room, visibility, etc. Take your time doing so.
Narrow it down to your top few choices, then test drive those.
Sample the Tribeca and the Veracruz while you're at it, both have nice interiors.
#769 of 800 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [chelentano]
Feb 05, 2008 (12:01 pm)
Pardon my long delay in finding a source, but I finally found the video that shows that the VDC AWD system used by Subaru can send enough power to any single wheel to keep it moving up a ramp in simulated no-traction scenarios:
Pretty amazing at any price point, even more so at Subaru's prices.
#770 of 800 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [ateixeira]
Feb 05, 2008 (2:42 pm)
Nice find, juice. Chelentano won't accept it, though, since it's not from a neutral source. Consumer Reports should set up this test to evaluate manufacturers' claims and systems... it's not a complicated or cost-prohibitive experiment.
#771 of 800 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [jeffmc]
Feb 05, 2008 (10:10 pm)
There are better off road vehicles out there than a tribeca, but not among the CUV class. I wouldn't put my 'Beca up against an FJ Cruiser, H3 or even a Jeep Grand Cherokee. But, I've gone up some 4WD roads with it and have been very very impressed with the Tribeca's capabilities-even with the mediocre stock tires.
If better off road traction is what you're looking for, the Subie's certainly have an advantage.
#772 of 800 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [jeffmc]
Feb 06, 2008 (6:48 am)
Well, if you watch it, ignore the marketing schpeal they dole out. I don't even necessarily agree with the reasons they some fail and some succeed (symmetry? huh?).
And they could have rigged the test for the competitors to fail. For example: that performed like a FWD CR-V, LOL.
But...what it does prove is that even a basic Forester X, priced under $20 grand, has a good enough AWD system to distribute enough power between front and rear axles to pass the front-to-rear test.
The VDC system goes a step further and can send enough power side-to-side, to any given wheel.
They can't rig that test. VDC makes it up, clear as day.
So rather than wait for a rebuttle, instead I'll challenge Mitsubishi fans to show me an Outlander (or Endeavor) that can make it up one of those ramps. The proof is in the pudding.
Remember, despite all the acronyms, C&D rated it in last place among compact crossovers in the off road portion of the test. So simple challenge - prove them wrong.
#773 of 800 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [ateixeira]
Feb 09, 2008 (1:09 am)
Still you did not show any evidence to support your claim that Subaru AWD system would be capable of "100% power transfer to either axle".
You post another Subaru marketing video and you call it a "proof"? I can’t even see if that CR-V has rear wheels spinning: it could be very well a 2WD version of CR-V. There are so many other ways to stage that “test”. Not just me, but a lot of people on Youtube doubt the authenticity of that video. The last party I would trust is a car salesman.
But if you like marketing videos, I have got some.
Lancer AWD vs. Lamborghini AWD:
Mitsubishi Pajero AWD:
Two Outlander videos in snow. If you ever driven a car in a heavy snow, you could tell that this Outlander AWD performance is impressive:
#774 of 800 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [chelentano]
Feb 09, 2008 (12:26 pm)
Sure- marketing videos may be biased to favor their brand. But I don't buy your accusation that the whole thing was rigged. (by using a 2WD CRV)
I've taken my Tribeca on some reasonably hairy 4WD roads and have been quite impressed.
If that video isn't significant evidence that Subaru's symmetrical AWD VTD system doesn't transfer 100% of its power to a single wheel- I don't know what is. But, regardless, the Tribeca is pretty dang good off road. Just ask anyone who's ever take one there.
#775 of 800 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [morey000]
Feb 09, 2008 (7:34 pm)
>> Sure- marketing videos may be biased to favor their brand.
Yea, marketing is biased by nature.
>> I've taken my Tribeca on some reasonably hairy 4WD roads and have been quite impressed.
You should make a video then. I'd love to see in in heavy snow.
>> If that video isn't significant evidence that Subaru's symmetrical AWD VTD system doesn't transfer 100% of its power to a single wheel- I don't know what is.
Yea, I also don't know what is evidence. Nothing really. There is no Subaru offroad rally wins, no independent tests to prove that. Even the official Subaru site does not state that it can transfer 100% of its power to a single wheel. So far it's more like wishfull thinking.
>> But, regardless, the Tribeca is pretty dang good off road. Just ask anyone who's ever take one there.
It may be good, why not. But it does not appear to be the best