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#748 of 798 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [jeffmc] by chelentano Jan 18, 2008 (11:41 pm)
Replying to: jeffmc (Jan 18, 2008 1:00 am) >>I think Subaru does a good job limiting any reduction of fuel economy.   Yes, but Subaru’s relatively decent fuel economy is achieved at cost of using variable torque for the rear axle, adjusted for road condition. To stay competitive they pretty much follow what other manufacturers are doing. .   >>Forester, for example, is already more fuel-efficient than nearly all similar AWD vehicles   2WD cars still have better mileage, so dual mode 2WD/4WD cars have advantage, since consumer has two choices. Replies to this message: jeffmc (Jan 20, 2008 1:40 am)
#749 of 798 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [chelentano] by jeffmc Jan 20, 2008 (1:40 am)
Replying to: chelentano (Jan 18, 2008 11:41 pm) "2WD cars still have better mileage..."   All of my examples were 2WD vehicles competing w/AWD Forester. Only 2 of the 5 got better mileage... the Honda and the Chevy... and their advantage was 2MPG more on the highway (they had no advantage in the city) gained at least in part from their less powerful engines. Bump those engines up to match the Forester's and I wonder if their slight advantage would vanish altogether. PT Cruiser 19/26; HHR 23/30; 2WD CRV 23/30; new Scion Xb 22/28; Rondo 21/29; Forester 23/28 I'm not saying there's no drivetrain loss with AWD, but just saying 2WD cars get better mileage is much too sweeping.   "Yes, but Subaru’s relatively decent fuel economy is achieved at cost of using variable torque for the rear axle, adjusted for road condition."   I don't understand how that's a bad thing. Subarus allow torque to vary between front & rear axles, allowing the most torque to reach the wheels with the most traction in any given instant, whether the driver observes slippery conditions beforehand or not. Different Subaru models have different normal bias... some are FWD-biased for better economy and some are RWD-biased for more sporting driving experience.
#750 of 798 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [chelentano] by ateixeira Jan 20, 2008 (5:51 pm)
Replying to: chelentano (Jan 18, 2008 10:14 pm) Consumer Reports is the only magazine I know that at least claims that they are not paid by manufacturers   True, but they categorize the Outlander in the Forester's class, and the Subaru scores higher by their measures.   The just-released 2009 model has 8.9" of ground clearance and is as much as crossover as anything else in the class, if not more so.   Any how, I think we've thread-jacked a bit much to talk about compacts, let's get back to the mid-sizers this thread was intended for.   I'm also signed up for truedelta. I like the idea behind it - so simplistic and run by a random Joe with no agenda. Replies to this message: chelentano (Jan 21, 2008 1:36 am)
#751 of 798 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [ateixeira] by chelentano Jan 21, 2008 (1:36 am)
Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 20, 2008 5:51 pm) >> Any how, I think we've thread-jacked a bit much to talk about compacts, let's get back to the mid-sizers this thread was intended for   yes, and move my response to the appropriate thread: Crossover SUV Comparison
#752 of 798 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [chelentano] by aviboy97 Jan 21, 2008 (10:14 am)
Replying to: chelentano (Jan 18, 2008 10:14 pm) Like I’ve said, the comparo by magazine “experts” does not mean much to me: they push up whoever buys more ads.   I'm sure you will share your source and credible proof to back this claim? Personal opinions do not count. Replies to this message: chelentano (Jan 21, 2008 10:54 pm) ateixeira (Jan 22, 2008 7:25 pm)
#753 of 798 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [aviboy97] by chelentano Jan 21, 2008 (10:54 pm)
Replying to: aviboy97 (Jan 21, 2008 10:14 am) >> I'm sure you will share your source and credible proof to back this claim?   Do you need a credible proof that car magazines get paid by car manufacturers? Hey, this is capitalism! Don’t pretend to be so naive. Ads in magazines don’t come for free, so the top comparo ratings and awards such as "car of the year". There is no such thing as free lunch.   >> Personal opinions do not count.   Then be consistent: you should not count personal opinions of magazine “experts”, nor your own personal opinions. Replies to this message: ateixeira (Jan 22, 2008 7:25 pm)
#754 of 798 Re: 5 Criteria for AWD (not 4WD, but AWD) [chelentano] by ateixeira Jan 22, 2008 (7:25 pm)
Replying to: chelentano (Jan 21, 2008 10:54 pm) I'm gonna defend aviboy97 on this one...he works closely with many Mazdas and has insider access to information you and I simply don't have. He's more than qualified to share useful info with Edmunds members.
#755 of 798 Color of my Tribeca by ylz Jan 26, 2008 (1:35 pm)
Hello everyone. I'm new to this forum but am about to purchase a 2008 Tribeca 5 Pas/Limited. Now I am really torn about getting the black exterior with beige interior or the diamond gray exterior with gray interior. I wanted black on black but obviously that's not possible. The beige interior is much nicer in person and I always wanted a black SUV. But people keep telling me to stay away from black cars cause they're so dam hard to keep clean. Has anyone that had a black car share some insight to this. Now the diamond gray color is also gorgeous on the outside. You guys let me know which one you like better. Thanks. Replies to this message: kmartin (Jan 26, 2008 7:44 pm) tidester (Jan 26, 2008 9:54 pm) ronn (Jan 27, 2008 4:45 am)
#756 of 798 Re: Color of my Tribeca [ylz] by kmartin Jan 26, 2008 (7:44 pm)
Replying to: ylz (Jan 26, 2008 1:35 pm) YLZ, welcome to the forum! Just an FYI, you've been cross-posting (posting the same message in multiple categories) which is generally frowned upon. Just find one category that's appropriate to your topic and stick with that one. That makes browsing quicker and easier for everyone (so we don't have to read your post several times )   As for the color choice, darker exterior is always harder to keep clean, but does look cool. And although the beige interior is a really classy look, I opted for the grey cuz I thought it was sportier. (Also, my last two cars had beige and I was tired of it).   Best wishes!   -Karen in AZ- Replies to this message: tidester (Jan 26, 2008 9:54 pm) ronn (Jan 27, 2008 4:45 am)
#757 of 798 Re: Color of my Tribeca [kmartin] by tidester HOST Jan 26, 2008 (9:54 pm)
Replying to: kmartin (Jan 26, 2008 7:44 pm) Just find one category that's appropriate to your topic and stick with that one.   Excellent advice - thanks!   tidester, host SUVs and Smart Shopper

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