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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 16, 2008 9:46 am) Sure :--) >> It can send 100% of power to either axle Do you have a link to support this statement or it's you made it up? . >> The 4 banger Outlander is EPA rated at 20/25 mpg for its 168hp and part-time AWD. The new Forester makes 170hp and is rated 20/26. As far as I know 4 banger Outlander's EPA is not available yet, link? Besides don't forget that Outlander is heavier. Anyway, you can defeat laws of physics: if you want to spin more wheels, you have to burn more fuel. At least it works that way in Chicago, never been in Brazil :--)
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Replying to: autowrite (Jan 16, 2008 11:28 am) I agree. And please no more fake marketing videos from youtube about vehicles irrelevant to this thread. |
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 16, 2008 11:43 am) Sure... http://210.101.116.115/fisita/pdf/G347.pdf As far as I know 4 banger Outlander's EPA is not available yet, link? My source is the print copy of Consumer Guide, February 2008, pp. 182-183. Note that they are not the same as Consumer Reports, nor are they owned by Consumer's Union. They're owned by Magazine Auto Series. fake marketing videos You wish. 
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Replying to: tifighter (Jan 16, 2008 11:35 am) |
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When I evaluate a traction system, the question I ask include: * is the front axle managed? * is the rear axle managed? * is the system engineered for full-time use? * is the system proactive (vs. reactive)? * can the system send all the power to either axle? Subaru's VDC on the Tribeca can do all 5. The PDF above details why. Mitsubishi drops one for the 3rd criteria. #4 is debatable, but FWD based systems can't go 100% to the rear axle so it misses #5 as well. 3 out of 5 at best. Even Audi cannot meet the 5th criteria - Quattro uses a Torsen with a 2 to 1 bias ratio, so Audi is limited to send at most 67% of power to either axle. Subaru makes the best AWD system around.
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 16, 2008 1:17 pm) “36% to front wheels and 64% to rear“ - so what? The Outlander’s 4WD Lock mode also distributes up to 60% of torque to the rear wheels. And you can get this information not from some weird PDF file, but from the official Outlander site. Outlander’s 4WD Lock mode is a true full-time 4WD. Both 4WD Lock and 4WD Auto modes deliver constant torque to rear wheels and there is no the rear wheels disengagement at any speed. The Outlander’s AWD system is both reactive and proactive, as any good system should be. It proactively prevents wheel spin during start up and acceleration in slippery conditions. Even if the driver has not selected 4WD Auto or 4WD Lock modes on a 4WD Outlander model, front wheel spin can be controlled under a variety of conditions. The 4WD Auto (or I would call it 4WD Econo mode) provides better fuel economy while it allows to maintain intelligent torque to the rear axle. Coupling torque is computed using a combination of feed-forward control, which operates in response to accelerator pedal action, and feedback control, which monitors the speed of the four wheels and computes any difference between front and rear wheel rotation speeds. The system interprets driving conditions and driver input and delivers the right amount of torque to the rear wheels. The Outlander features standard Active Skid and Traction Control helps to prevent side slipping (spin and side drift) as a result of sudden steering wheel operation or on slippery roads. When it detects side-slipping or wheel spin, ASTC provides integrated control of brakes, engine torque (via the electronic throttle control), transmission and electronically controlled 4WD to improve vehicle stability. The traction control portion of ASTC provides a "virtual" limited-slip differential effect by helping to prevent wheel spin during start up and acceleration in slippery conditions. An ASTC OFF switch allows the driver to disengage the system. Instances where that could be useful include driving the vehicle through deep snow, or out of a snowed-in parking space. In such situations, traction control could be a hindrance. The electronically controlled 4WD system does not rely on traction control to distribute power; power distribution is controlled through the electronically controlled viscous coupling, with ASTC influencing that as needed. And unlike Subaru, the Outlnder is capable of the 100% power transfer to the front axle: just turn the knob at any speed :--)
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Replying to: chelentano (Jan 16, 2008 8:13 pm) Kind of like you deny the legitimacy of the Best Motoring video. You think it's a marketing video, but no, here is the marketing video you're looking for, this one is indeed produced by Subaru: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4999142340359932162 You obviously cut and pasted 4 paragraphs, which is plagiarism by the way, without even giving credit to a source. My response is simple - all that technology you described simply failed to materialize in practice. Car & Driver gave it a score of just 2 out of 5, worst in the test of 9 competitors. All those acronyms = "felt fragile" on the off road portion of the test. 
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 17, 2008 8:38 am) |
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jan 17, 2008 8:38 am) Sorry, I'll get back on topic...
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Replying to: tifighter (Jan 17, 2008 9:37 am) |
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