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139 messages, Last post on Sep 16, 2009 at 6:48 AM
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Replying to: bob912 (Aug 26, 2009 10:31 pm) That is (unintentionally) hilarious. You tell someone not to make up stuff, then you make up stuff about the Optima's I4 being a Dodge engine redesigned by Korea. Please get your facts straight--especially before you accuse someone else of "making up stuff". |
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Replying to: backy (Aug 27, 2009 5:48 pm)  Defend the KIA's honor!
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Aug 27, 2009 5:55 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Aug 27, 2009 7:54 pm)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Aug 28, 2009 5:04 am) |
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discussion that I've read for years on the net. I like to gather my own data independently and I know you do, too, backy and mickeyrom. backy, one thing I've learned about you is you do your research, and you are honest in your car reporting. I have learned many a car thing from you, and we all learn from each other. But, it took only a year or two on the net to spot those that are intentionally spamming a car brand. There are those sent out that just put down other brands of cars. And they're a lot of times not doing their homework ahead of time. If you like a car you'll often know way more about it than these put-down characters. Not only that but you'll most of the time know more about the car you really like or would like to buy than the salespeople selling that model of that car brand. Keep up the comedy, trollers, you're givin' me belly laughs over here in the SW desert. 
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Aug 28, 2009 7:44 am) I'm not as upset about the negative comment regarding the Optima v. Camry as I the ability of either Optima-- four or six-- to keep up with a much more powerful Camry six would require some proof, not a post from years ago. Speaking of Toyota, I recently rented the new model Corolla while on vacation. Frankly, the previous platform wasn't outstanding but a generally pleasant car to be in. I bought Prizms for my kids about a decade ago and thought the Corollas/Prizms in the early nineties were very nice cars-- certainly better designed than most of the competition. I was shocked that the 09 Corolla had deteriorated so much-- especially the interior, and this was the S model, not the base car. Also very uncomfortable with no lower back support, the last 07 that I rented was much more pleasant. Toyota (IMHO) is selling on past reputation and trolling salesmen (or someone with a vested interest) is taking broad aim at Korean brands. |
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Replying to: backy (Aug 27, 2009 5:48 pm)  Please know who you are taking too. Cars are my life and it is my job to know what is what. Not trying to knock Kia but you were lying and saying you could beat a Toyota camry with your new Kia Optima 2.4. Things are cheaper for a reason rather it be for the best or in most cases the worst.  Stay happy and do more homework.
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Replying to: bob912 (Sep 16, 2009 4:14 am) No, they are not. I have done my homework on this, sir. Under the new joint venture, Hyundai will have the lead responsibility for implementing the decisions of the joint venture company for design, development and engineering. http://media.mitsubishi-motors.com/pressrelease/e/corporate/detail156.html The initial design of the engine block was handled by Hyundai. It features siamesed bores, meaning that there is no coolant flow between cylinders. The aluminum block has cast iron cylinder liners, and different liners can be fitted to alter the engine's bore. ... Each manufacturer has configured their variants of the basic GEMA design differently based on their engineering needs and standards, so consumers may experience very different power, fuel efficiency, and "feel" from each manufacturer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Engine_Manufacturing_Alliance Chrysler Corporation began production of a modified version of Theta, dubbed World Engine, in Dundee, Michigan in October 2005. Chrysler engineered their own air intake system and exhaust manifold which is made of gray cast iron. The World Engine also differs in the EMS as it measures the amount of intake air indirectly using a MAP sensor, to lower production costs. Contrary to what Chrysler Corporation has stated, the Theta engine factory in Asan, South Korea is not a part of the Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance. Construction of the Korean factory began in August 2003 and it came on line in April 2004. It is owned and operated by Hyundai Motor Company. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Theta_engine And the latest is, Chrysler has pulled out of GEMA and will be using the Michigan plant to produce Fiat-design engines as well: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=aErSuN9aY8UE So, hopefully it is clear to you now that: * The Kia 2.4 is NOT a Dodge engine redesigned by Korea, as you stated. It is in fact a Hyundai engine, designed by Hyundai, with some common components including the block co-designed by Hyundai, Chrysler, and Mitsubishi with Hyundai in the lead. * The Theta II engine used in the Optima (and other Hyundai/Kia vehicles) is NOT the same as the 2.4L Chrysler/Dodge engine, as you stated, although they share some components. Also, I don't own an Optima and never said anything about the relative performance of the Camry and Optima. So, stay happy and do your homework. Since cars are your life and it's your job to know what is what with cars, you should be more careful about your research. Also, a bit of advice: if you are going to tell someone he is wrong and is a liar, you should be REALLY sure of your facts.
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