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Re: Toyota Camry Hesitation- "good intentions" versus "bad implementation" [nathan118]
by seniorchief1
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Aug 20, 2007 (1:43 pm)
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Replying to: nathan118 (Aug 16, 2007 6:00 pm)
The "floating deceleration" was my way of describing the feeling that I was not slowing down when I took my foot off the gas. On flat ground, when I took my foot off the gas the cars speed and tack read like the pedal was still depressed at a steady state. I could count to 8 and I either maintained my position in traffic or in some cases felt like I was gaining on the cars ahead of me. Terrible in stop and go traffic. I was riding the brake wa too much. I initially solved the problem by dropping the trans. into 4th and leaving it there. Now with the TSB installed I feel the deceleration when I pick my foot off the gas.
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- #442 of 851
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I've got an appointment...
by nathan118
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Aug 20, 2007 (3:55 pm)
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Have an appointment for tomorrow morning to have the transmission looked at. The service guy on the phone was almost rude when I said I was calling about looking to have a TSB installed, and informed me that wasn't the way it worked. They look at the car and they decide when to do one. He said you bring it in and we'll look at it first. To which I wanted to reply, ok jackass, then I want to bring it for you to look at it.
Said I'll probably have to go on a road test so they can see the problems. I really hope this isn't more headache than it's worth.
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- #443 of 851
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Re: I've got an appointment... [nathan118]
by joel16
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Aug 20, 2007 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: nathan118 (Aug 20, 2007 3:55 pm)
nathan118, you are right, dealer wrong; that is absolutely the way it works!! If anything, they need to check your Vin for the build date; that's all. They don't want to tie up a service bay and tech for a $0 return. My dealer was very happy to install the TSB, no questions asked. Again, the TSB is for ALL 2007 Camry's, and they should install at your request. It takes about 1-2 hours (mine was 1 hour). Remember to remind them to hook up your car battery to an external charger BEFORE starting the TSB installation. I guess I lucked out with a great dealership (Toyota of Concord, NC). I am happy to report that after two weeks, the car continues to drive like a different car under all circumstances. No accel/decel problems, no hesitation (well, minor on really HOT days - over 100 - due to the air conditioner), and shifts are what I'd expect in all situations encountered. Quite frankly, I am surprised by how much "snap" this little 4 banger has; my car is actually fun to drive now. I am happy now, whereas before I was going to trade in September, and take the loss. Don't take any crap from your dealer. The fix actually works; one thing for sure, it can't be any worse than the initial software with hesitation, rough/poor shift, etc. Good Luck!!!
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Transmission problem!
by chuck28
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Aug 20, 2007 (5:58 pm)
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Hello, I want to share a reply a dealership told to my mothers friend who has a 07 xle V-6. She was at a stop light and her car surged forward with her just sitting at the light.
She took it to the dealership and they told her nothing was wrong with her car and she should keep the brake pedal pushed all the way down when the air-conditioning is running, How lame is that.
This is becoming a serious safety concern. You may already have read others who have experienced this problems. WAKE UP TOYOTA!!!
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- #445 of 851
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Re: Transmission problem! [chuck28]
by joel16
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Aug 21, 2007 (2:56 am)
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Replying to: chuck28 (Aug 20, 2007 5:58 pm)
Hi chuck28, i have owned cars in the past (one a Honda Accord) that would surge forward slightly when the air con compressor kicked in and out. It may be that the surge is not related at all to the transmission problem. Not sure this should be classified as "normal"; maybe the dealer should check the tach at idle? Anyone else have any suggestions?
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Re: I've got an appointment... [joel16]
by camryowner1
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Aug 21, 2007 (6:23 am)
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Replying to: joel16 (Aug 20, 2007 4:52 pm)
Hi Joel, Glad to hear that new TSB worked for your Camry. I also had it installed last Friday (8/17) and noticed a nice improvement in the acceleration, but car still shifts too often when in cruise control and encountering even a slight inclined highway (3 times in 1 mile of travel). I would like to know if anyone else has this problem after the new TSB is installed. How about you?
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Re: I've got an appointment... [camryowner1]
by wwest
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Aug 21, 2007 (8:28 am)
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Replying to: camryowner1 (Aug 21, 2007 6:23 am)
"...shifts too often..."
Sorry, you have just arrived in the future...!
Both of the vehicles I rented while on vacation this year would shift so often it made me think something was wrong. The first was a 2007 Mazda minivan and I was totally convinced it had some strange transaxle behavior until I rented a 2007 Chrysler Sebring the next week and if anything found it was even worse.
These days everthing possible is being done to keep the engine operating within its best FE "sweet spot", the lowest possible RPM at which the engine will just barely produce the level of HP/torque required in the instantaneous, short term, sense.
Then throw in the need to have the transaxle ALWAYS upshift upon a lift-throttle event to increase the vehicles safety factor by avoid any substantial level of engine compression braking and you have TOO MANY SHIFTS
Take a 6 speed automatic transaxle with a lockup clutch for the torque converter and you essentially now have a 9 "speed" transaxle. To the benefit of improving FE Lockup clutches are now being used, engaged, in gear ratios below OD.
Maybe an effort is afoot to try and match the FE that can be attained with some of the new CVT equipped vehciles.
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Re: I've got an appointment... [wwest]
by user777
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Aug 21, 2007 (8:34 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Aug 21, 2007 8:28 am)
best sweet spot at the expense of the driver and passenger comfort. wonderfully advanced. not. 
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- #449 of 851
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Re: I've got an appointment... [user777]
by wwest
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Aug 21, 2007 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: user777 (Aug 21, 2007 8:34 am)
But I suspect this "too many shifts" thing is something we will/can grow more used to, be forced to grow more used to, as time goes by.
Unless we somehow end up with almost all vehicles CVT equipped.
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Re: I've got an appointment... [wwest]
by joel16
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Aug 21, 2007 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: wwest (Aug 21, 2007 8:28 am)
One of the reasons for the push for FE is the change in the measurement standards for estimated gas mileage. Many (but not all yet) cars are listed on www.fueleconomy.gov for 2008 models, and in some cases the numbers have changed substantially. Toyota vehicles look to be slightly better than the rest of the bunch.
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