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#2 of 346 Re: Is the Honda the best motor company in the world? [wog777]
Dec 19, 2006 (11:00 am)
You could make the argument that they can't be the "best" if they are outsold by Toyota in their home market, in North America (biggest export market) and worldwide.
Dec 19, 2006 (12:27 pm)
sales should be divorced from any discussion of what is "the best". Top sales can come from any number of factors that have nothing to do with quality, including lowest price, best rebates, etc.
As for Honda, I would say they are one of the most DIVERSE car companies in the world, if nothing else. Not too many of the car companies out there also make jet planes, robots, lawn mowers, and generators, in addition to motorcycles and participation in motorsports.
As for their cars, I think they do still stand out in their class most of the time, and a lot of the press seem to agree. But it is hard to say how one would even establish parameters for a discussion of what is the "best" car company.
Dec 19, 2006 (1:05 pm)
They are the best at what they are good at. There are a few areas where they trail behind the competition. I think Toyotas are quieter (In my limited experience), I think a lot of more Mazda models are a bit more entertaining, and I think without a rear drive coupe or sedan, they are WAY behind the competition in the performance arena (BMW especially). They also tend to get the snuff off from those looking for effortless torque when you mash the pedal which as most know is NOT a typical trait of Honda motors.
But for a solid, well built appliance (I've owned 8, all with positive experiences) that doesn't bore you silly driving it, they build one helluva vehicle. And as Nippon mentioned above, their diversity is admirable.
Oh, and their gearboxes and VTEC motors are addictive.
#5 of 346 Re: Is the Honda the best motor company in the world? [wog777]
Dec 19, 2006 (2:29 pm)
1. They are one of the best automotive companies and any argument against Honda would not be about their motor.
2. Honda is among the elite in motorcycles and is in the running for extracting the most hp/L. IMO, they are competitive with Yamaha and Kawasaki as the "best" motorcycle (in terms of power/displacement, ride and longevity). Only one other company (Suzuki) makes cars and motorcycles.
3. Honda, IMO, is second to none in generators and lawnmowers (although somewhat expensive).
Honda is not only diverse in their engine production, they are almost always among the elite in the various applications. It all starts with the engine.
#6 of 346 I'll go with most of that
Dec 19, 2006 (3:15 pm)
Honda will never be Toyota due to the lack of car production facilities. Thus the number of sales.
Indeed Toyotas will always be quieter and Mazdas will be more fun to toss around, but Honda hits a sweet spot between these two and manages to pretty much match Toyota's bulletproof reliability.
I think they are the best compromise between an appliance car and a fun to drive one. Keeps them popular.
#7 of 346 Re: Is the Honda the best motor company in the world? [john500]
Dec 19, 2006 (4:49 pm)
So, no Briggs & Stratton for you?!
#8 of 346 I as a big 3 fan admit......
Dec 19, 2006 (6:59 pm)
Honda, IMHO makes the best engine in the world. I honestly believe that will be even further true when the V8 and V10 are released.
#9 of 346 Best engine company might be a better title...
Dec 20, 2006 (12:21 pm)
I certainly echo the positive comments made, thus far. John500 hit on three solid points (bases) of the Honda business. Add their new venture into small jet aircraft engines and you have the Honda Motor (engine) Company.
It's a solid company! I owned a little over $5K of Honda stock until a few years ago. Sold for reasons other than their performance...
I would've liked to have owned a Honda on 5 or 6 past occasions. However, the Honda dealers I visited were proud of their product...to proud to earn my business. (no need to state "you get what you pay for...)
IMO, Honda would be larger, but for two beliefs: 1)their focus on engines rather than the whole car and 2) the dealer/sales force attitude. Honda developed engines and vehicles. They sold product to support development. OTOH, Toyota focused more on the customer and meeting the needs/expectations of the customer. They concentrated on vehicle sales and developed, because the cash allowed it.
#10 of 346 Re: Best engine company might be a better title... [gasman1]
Dec 20, 2006 (8:20 pm)
I heartily agree! Honda dealers are a royal PITA to deal with, and I have never been to a single one that was an exception to this rule. Honda's sales performance would probably improve dramatically if they could turn the dealer body around.
And powertrains are definitely Honda's forte. While they are paying more attention to the rest of the vehicle than they did 10-20 years ago, they could still stand to improve in this area, particularly in terms of longevity.
The only place I will disagree is that I think they are doing a pretty good job these days of listening to their customers (Honda NA, not the dealers!). But that represents a remarkable shift that has occurred in the last ten years or so, IMO.