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Mazda CX-7: Long term reliability of the 2.3LT engine

12 messages,  Last post on Nov 19, 2008 at 1:21 PM

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Lone term reliability of the 2.3LT engine by erhayes
Dec 18, 2006 (11:59 am)
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I drive my vehicles to ~130,000 miles. I sell them as very good running vehicles that have no oil consumption or other issues. The 2.3 L turbo engine is a long stroke 2.0 L engine. Usually this leads to a less than reliable engine, at least for the long haul. Does Mazda use this engine in any other vehicles or must we wait and see. I'm thinking that Mazda took the cheap way out to gain Cu Ins. Most new turbo engines use a square or over square design with respect to Piston Bore vs Stroke. Comments ?
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Re: Lone term reliability of the 2.3LT engine [erhayes] by jbjtkbw00
Dec 18, 2006 (1:55 pm)
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Replying to: erhayes (Dec 18, 2006 11:59 am)

Yes they do. Remember, this engine is a retooled version of the peppy one in the Mazda 6. Less horses/earlier torque.
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Re: Lone term reliability of the 2.3LT engine [erhayes] by aviboy97
Dec 18, 2006 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: erhayes (Dec 18, 2006 11:59 am)

Mazda has been using the MZR 2.3 since 2003 in the Mazda6, since 2004 in the Mazda3. It has been very reliable. The MZR 2.3L Turbo (CX-7/Mazdaspeed6/Mazdaspeed3) has been in use for over a year now, and uses forged internals to withstand turbo charging. There have been no issues, so far, in questioning reliability for the MZR 2.3L Turbo.
 
As to the specifics on how the displacement was reached, I cannot accurately answer that.
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Re: Lone term reliability of the 2.3LT engine [erhayes] by carlitos92
Dec 18, 2006 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: erhayes (Dec 18, 2006 11:59 am)

Maybe you should get in on our wager going on over in the Maintenance thread...
 
I'm staking a dinner on the fact that the engine won't implode if you just follow Mazda's maintenance recommendations.
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Re: Lone term reliability of the 2.3LT engine [carlitos92] by audia8q
Dec 19, 2006 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: carlitos92 (Dec 18, 2006 3:30 pm)

I've been around turbo's from various mfg for many many years and wouldnt hesitate to buy one, assuming its a good vehicle to begin with...A great example of is the saab 900 4cyl turbo from the 80's which had amazing long term durability. Make sure you order all the expensive stuff at your dinner!!
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Re: Lone term reliability of the 2.3LT engine [audia8q] by erhayes
Dec 19, 2006 (3:50 pm)
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Replying to: audia8q (Dec 19, 2006 1:28 pm)

Yes, I had a 1986 Saab turbo and sold it running well at 124,000 miles. The Saab company committed themselves to turbos. Their engines were designed from the ground up for turbo charging. I am seriouly wanting to move from my Subaru to the CX7 and want to feel comfortable with Mazda engineering. I have never had a Mazda before.
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Turbocharger seized this morning by pctech
Aug 07, 2008 (2:30 pm)
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I had just begun my usual drive to work and all seemed OK. But suddenly, when accelerating from a light, I had NO power - despite flooring the accelerator, the car just would not go any faster (about 20-30 mph) for a few seconds. Then, just as suddenly, it spun up and I had my power back. Now it's OK but I'm VERY concerned. There's still plenty of time on the warranty but I want to be sure the dealer is aware. Any suggestions? Anyone had turbo problems with this car?
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Re: Turbocharger seized this morning [pctech] by tidester HOST
Aug 07, 2008 (3:51 pm)
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Replying to: pctech (Aug 07, 2008 2:30 pm)

Now it's OK
 
Turbo lag is one thing but this is a bit extreme. I would have it checked out ASAP along with your electronics.
 
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Re: Turbocharger seized this morning [pctech] by wwest
Aug 08, 2008 (8:17 am)
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Replying to: pctech (Aug 07, 2008 2:30 pm)

It begins to appear that many cars of asian manufacture have now, are now, adopting the engine/transaxle ECU ATF line pressure control technique first used by Toyota in the '99 RX300.
 
The old system, simple gear type ATF pump, pressure holding/sustaining accumulator, and spring loaded pressure relief valve, has been abandoned in favor of the lighter weight, "compact", and more fuel efficient electronic ATF line pressure control technique.
 
What that appears to mean to you as a driver is that the new system cannot sustain enough line pressure for two gear changes in quick succession. For instance, you lift the throttle slightly and the transaxle reacts, just as it should, always has, by upshifting. But now, quickly, you need/want to return acceleration (traffic light went green..??) and depress the gas pedal accordingly. Oops, the ECU has "relaxed" the line pressure (FE, remember..??) in accordance with being in 4th(??) gear cruise mode and now there is no line pressure to support a downshift sequence let along enough pressure to hold the downshift clutches fully and firmly closed under acceleration torque levels.
 
What to do, what to do...??!!
 
Oh, use the DBW, E-throttle system to delay the engine torque rise until the ECU can command an increase in line pressure, then the line pressure can rise to the level required.
 
A quick transition to full throttle from "cruise"....
 
Same problem, no line pressure..
 
If you wish to accelerate fairly quickly then a reasonably slow depression of the gas pedal will get you there QUICKER. A quick "stab" of the gas pedal will find the engine/transaxle ECU unprepared for the acceleration level of torque and it will delay engine torque rise until the line pressure can be "pumped up" enough to support the downshift and hold the downshift clutches "tight".
 
Welcome to the brave new world of high technology.
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Re: Turbocharger seized this morning [wwest] by pctech
Aug 08, 2008 (4:01 pm)
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Replying to: wwest (Aug 08, 2008 8:17 am)

VERY interesting but not relevant to my problem. However I genuinely enjoyed reading it - info like this is always good to know. Thanks for the great explanation! BTW, the problem did not recur this morning but I will report it to the dealer as soon as possible as I want them to have a record of the event.

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