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#63 of 103 Starting Problems when Cold by ronslakie1 Nov 24, 2008 (4:40 pm)
I have a 2K Dak CC with a 4.7 5 speed and I am having problems with the first start of the day. It cranks for about 10 seconds before starting but then starts immediately for the rest of the day. The battery has just been replaced and the plugs are not very old. I am not throwing any codes. I have tried turning the ignition on for a while before cranking to see if there was any lag with the fuel pump but that has not made any difference. I do not think this is weather related since this began at the end of summer. Aside from this the truck runs great. Anyone have any ideas as to what is causing this?   Ron Replies to this message: dustyk (Nov 25, 2008 6:50 pm) tolikhl (Nov 25, 2008 7:00 pm) dleech (Oct 08, 2009 5:59 am)
#64 of 103 Re: Help!!!!! [sdisney] by dustyk Nov 25, 2008 (6:48 pm)
Replying to: sdisney (Nov 17, 2008 8:12 am) This could be a fuel problem or a electrical wiring problem. I suggest a good service manual and a verification that you are getting spark (ignition) and fuel.   Regards, Dusty
#65 of 103 Re: Starting Problems when Cold [ronslakie1] by dustyk Nov 25, 2008 (6:50 pm)
Replying to: ronslakie1 (Nov 24, 2008 4:40 pm) Just to verify, if you held the key in the start position for, let's say one minute, it wouldn't start? But it will start okay the second time you turn the key to the start position?   Regards, Dusty
#66 of 103 Re: Starting Problems when Cold [ronslakie1] by tolikhl Nov 25, 2008 (7:00 pm)
Replying to: ronslakie1 (Nov 24, 2008 4:40 pm) Ron,   I had a 2002 Dodge Dakota 4.7L and I had exactly the same problem. This is not electrical problem!!! Do not touch it. I replaced fuel pump and everything went back to normal. I believe that there is not enough pressure build up for the first start in old pump. New fuel pump will solve that problem. It is located on top of fuel tank. This is a well known defect on these vehicles as I found out later. Good luck.   Toli
#67 of 103 Starting Problems When Cold by ronslakie1 Nov 26, 2008 (4:55 am)
Thanks for your replies. To answer Dusty - on the first start of the day I will have to crank it for 6 to 8 seconds before it starts. I have never shut it down right away and tried starting it again but for the rest of that day, even after siting for several hours there will be no problem starting it. It is just the initial start after sitting overnight. I have tried turning the ignition to the on position for about 10 seconds to get the fuel pump started without cranking it but that has not made any difference.   Ron Replies to this message: tolikhl (Nov 26, 2008 7:39 pm) dustyk (Nov 27, 2008 9:12 am) selene (Jul 14, 2009 7:34 pm)
#68 of 103 Re: Starting Problems When Cold [ronslakie1] by tolikhl Nov 26, 2008 (7:39 pm)
Replying to: ronslakie1 (Nov 26, 2008 4:55 am) Exactly! You are not alone. I had the same problem. It makes no difference how long you wait with ignition on. You just need to crank it for few times in the morning and replace fuel pump when you get tired of it. I drove like that for about 2 years before I decided to fix it. Cheapest pumps are on ebay, buy it only new. Since this is a common problem on these pumps. Good luck.
#69 of 103 Re: Starting Problems When Cold [ronslakie1] by dustyk Nov 27, 2008 (9:12 am)
Replying to: ronslakie1 (Nov 26, 2008 4:55 am) Well, the suggestion that this could be a fuel pump problem is a possibility, although in my experience this is not a common problem.   When I've seen Dakota pumps fail they are not often intermittent like this. The one fuel pump related issue that I'm familiar with that matches your symptom, was not the a pump failure, but a clogged inlet filter on the pump. This was not discovered until after disassembly and the new pump was installed. As was told to me, when the pump was shaken all kinds of "crap" fell out. What is a more likely failure scenario, in my opinion, is a faulty Fuel Pressure Regulator, however, it is an integral part of the pump anyway.   That aside for the moment, what I have seen on older (2000-2003) Dakotas (and a couple of RAMs, too) are intermittent Auto Shut Down (ASD) Relays. The ASD Relay prevents power to the coils and fuel injectors in the event of a rollover.   The older relays were manufactured by Emrod and are usually dark red in color, the newer ones are black and made by Tyco. The part number is 56049018-AA. Look at the last two alpha characters on the relay part number. Chrysler uses these characters to denote a change to the part. In my 2003 these are marked "AB," meaning the part has been revised from the original.   Since the cost of this part is relatively inexpensive compared to a fuel pump, I would suggest looking at this as a possible suspect. The ASD Relay can be switched with another in the Power Distribution Center box as a trial. There is also a Fuel Pump Relay in the PDC that could cause the same problem. Also, inspect the relay pins for signs of corrosion.   Of course, there are other things that could cause this problem, like an intermittent Crankshaft or Camshaft Sensor.   Best regards, Dusty
#70 of 103 Starting Problems When Cold by ronslakie1 Nov 29, 2008 (3:32 am)
Dusty - Thanks for your response. This does seem to be intermittent since right now I am not having any problems. I have filed your post and if it acts up again I'll check further.   Ron
#71 of 103 Re: Help!!!!! [sdisney] by geoge9215 Nov 29, 2008 (8:41 am)
Replying to: sdisney (Nov 17, 2008 8:12 am) Hi shannon,I have the same problem that your husband has.I have a1995 dodge dakota and my wife wants to kill me because all I do is try to get this truck running.I had replace the same parts your husband did.I did get it running once by hot wiring the fuel pump relay and auto shut relay under the hood.It ran for about a week then quiet.My check engine light does not come on when I turn key on so I can't read any codes If your husband gets any advise could you please let me know Thanks George GLG921hotmail.com
#72 of 103 Problems starting by nyscrod Nov 30, 2008 (7:34 pm)
Not every time, but if my 2001 Dakota sits more than about 7 hours, it is very hard to get it to start. Any thoughts..... Replies to this message: tolikhl (Nov 30, 2008 10:46 pm) nyscrod (Dec 01, 2008 7:27 am)

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