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#1080 of 1091 Wishing for Updated 2003 TL
Feb 14, 2011 (12:10 pm)
I still have my 2003 TL, which was the last year for that body style. Each new body style Acura has brought our for the TL has lower gas mileage and a higher price. I also had the 2000 TL and the 2003 had all the bugs fixed. If they would take that 2003 TL with a similar body style and bring more technology and a bit better mileage it would be the perfect car. The newer versions are bigger engines but not better cars. I drive the new TL and TSX each year when I have my regular service performed at the dealer as a free loaner. But, I am never loving the new car more than my own.
I would love all the new navigation and bluetooth features along with similar engine performance and better mileage that new technology should bring. But, I just don't see it.
We also have a 2005 Pilot, which is a extremely useful vehicle. It gets decent mileage and has great room. We have looked at the MDX every year. But, it has poor rear visibility compared with our Pilot, lower gas mileage and is super expensive. Now, the new Pilot is huge and has lower gas mileage. The older version was better.
The TSX is based on the Civic versus the Accord for the TL and does not compare well for me. The Acura TL was once the best value in luxury cars on the market. It really dominated here in the Boulder, Colorado area with Flatirons Acura right here in town which makes service a breeze.
More and more cars have very similar styling which makes them look the same. I assuming the shape is more aerodynamic but the gas mileage is not getting better than the 20-24 mpg I get in town/hwy combined for a decent sized sedan V6. The 2004 Acura was okay but the newest version with that crazy front grill is just odd looking.
I hope Acura reads these comments because it was once just a great line of cars.
#1081 of 1091 Re: Wishing for Updated 2003 TL [colo_driver]
Feb 14, 2011 (12:53 pm)
I also had the same Pilot as you do (mine was 08) and really liked it.
My lease ended in January and I looked at current Pilot - I was so disappointed with what Honda has done to the Pilot... I also saw new Accord in the showroom and was turned off by it's design - older Accord looks better in my opinion.
It seems that in addition to Acura declining brand reputation, Honda got it's own issues.
#1082 of 1091 GREAT TOPIC-\ [smarty666]
Feb 14, 2011 (2:57 pm)
finally a group of people who agree with me-- the Acura name took a huge step back when they decided to end production of names on cars and went the route as every other lux car line and went to 2.3 CL, RSX, TSX-- come on they had great names for cars- integra, legend (hello best car name ever) and Vigor (good name, bad 5cyl) -- they went mainstream -- How cool was the second generation acura Legend?? the type2 coupe had the 250plus hp v6 with a 6speed.. the Integra was a bridge to get the younger folk.. now the entry level TSX is almost 30k -- TL ugly, tsx to much money, rdx no one knows what it is, RL 50k for a TL, MDX is a nice truck thou.... to me this line needs a complete revamp. Ugly, overweight, and overpriced--
Feb 14, 2011 (6:19 pm)
Acura used to represent quality, value, designs, cool names and prestige. Acura still represents quality, but no more so than Honda. The value factor has about vanished, as other premium brands have caught up. Design is no longer ahead of the pack. Model names, as has been mentioned, are confusing and not cool. Finally, the prestige factor of Acura versus, say, Honda, is marginal. This begs the question, then, of why pay a premium price for a fairly ordinary car?
to Acura's credit, resale values have remained relatively high, but that's not enough in the premium category. To succeed over the long-term, a premium product must feature the "gotta have it" factor, which Acura has lost. Hopefully, it will regain it, plus value, with future platforms. Honda has the resources to do it.
#1084 of 1091 Re: Wishing for Updated 2003 TL [car_dude]
Feb 14, 2011 (7:07 pm)
You are the exception. The majority of Pilot buyes FAR perferred the changes on the new models. Same applies to the Accords.
But, every time a model get's changed, ther will always be a few and I mean just a few who will ask..." why did you mess it up?"
I think Acura shot themselves in the foot when they renamed their models. The Legend that everyone knew and loved became an RL! Does that mean "Renamed Legend?". They spent years building a model name and they changed it for some dumb reason. Why?
Then they ruined the looks acrosds the line when they hung those hideous "beaks" on the front ends.
While they were renaming cars and screwing up the looks, the competition grew stronger in an already overcrowded marketplace.
#1085 of 1091 Re: Wishing for Updated 2003 TL [isellhondas]
Feb 15, 2011 (11:16 am)
I guess design wise new Pilot was fine, but it just didn't feel right. I was excited when I got 08 Pilot, but when I drove the latest Pilot - it din't feel special.
I also think that Pilot got to be too expensive for what it is, at least to lease the configuration we looked at. For a little bit extra in monthly payment you can get more upscale SUV.
#1086 of 1091 Re: direction [gs42]
Feb 16, 2011 (9:21 am)
Clown face. That is a good description. Did they make the front end worse?
We will hang onto our 04-08 gen TL. Runs fine, no trouble. Hopefully, Acura is working on a major rework of the TL to be ready in 2014.
Might get a hint if Honda/Acura have purged their inept stylists/designers when they replace the baroque-looking Accord.
#1087 of 1091 Re: direction [xrunner2]
Aug 25, 2011 (1:37 am)
The '12 Civic seems to have missed the bulls-eye by a rather wide margin. I'm sure it's a good car, but, in a market that's full of excellent compact cars, the Civic is no longer is special. It'll be interesting to see whether the next all-new (2013) Accord will devolve in a similar manner, or not. The '13 Accord will give us a hint of what to expect for the next generation TSX and TL, since they're based on the Accord.
#1088 of 1091 Re: direction [hpmctorque]
Aug 25, 2011 (6:58 am)
New Civic will lose sales to Elantra and Focus.
Acura division goofed up with current version of TL. Don't know the reason why they still make RL. And the Acura soopy roof car with rear hatch is a joke with car magazine writers.