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Where is Honda taking Acura?

1045 messages,  Last post on Nov 06, 2009 at 7:12 AM

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Re: but hey [hpmctorque] by anythngbutgm
Sep 08, 2009 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Sep 03, 2009 1:31 pm)

That's cool. I actually do look at safety scores when it comes to my purchase. Not just crash test scores, but all weather scores. It's one of the reaons why my wife and I both drive Subarus. They excel in both areas.
 
Back to Acura, SH-AWD and excellent crash test scores put Acura closer to the top IMO when I compare them to say, Lexus for instance. I believe Hondas mission with Acura is to rival Volvo and Audi (sorta) rather than go after BMW or Mercedes which is what Toyota is doing with Lexus and Nissan with Infiniti.
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Re: Where is Honda taking Acura? [hpmctorque] by tlong
Sep 19, 2009 (3:53 pm)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Sep 01, 2009 8:31 pm)

Acura has lost me. I favor relatively light and simple, well engineering entry and mid-level luxury cars, but this isn't the direction Acura has taken recently.
 
I completely agree. I bought the '05 TL because it was bigger than my A4 and still somewhat sporty, plus it looks good. I've already got 88K on it and except for some squeaks, has been reliable.
 
The new Acuras are soft bargy electronics wonders. The styling is getting questionable. I wonder if the 04-08 TLs will end up being valuable classic used Acuras, more so than the new generation?
 
I'm thinking that with the way the brands are evolving, in a few years when I replace my TL I may be going to Mazda.
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Re: Where is Honda taking Acura? [tlong] by hpmctorque
Sep 19, 2009 (7:04 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Sep 19, 2009 3:53 pm)

"I wonder if the 04-08 TLs will end up being valuable classic used Acuras, more so than the new generation?"
 
While I think the '04-'08 TL is the best generation of that model that Acura made, I don't think the term "classic" applies to any TL. Unfortunately, they'll eventually just become old used cars. I think they'll be relatively desirable old used cars, with a decent, but declining resale value.
 
Yeah, Mazdas seem to have many of the attributes that pre-'09 TL owners value.
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Re: Where is Honda taking Acura? [hpmctorque] by anythngbutgm
Sep 21, 2009 (4:46 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Sep 19, 2009 7:04 pm)

It may not be unreasonable to expect the resale value to mimick that of the Legend. Decreasing yes, but still desirable enough to stem steep declines. I could see a lower mileage used model in 10 years valuing higher than it's competitors.
 
Acura got that car so right, especially the TL-S.
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Re: Where is Honda taking Acura? [anythngbutgm] by hpmctorque
Sep 21, 2009 (8:15 pm)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Sep 21, 2009 4:46 am)

Yeah, it's my guess that in 2019 you'll pay more for a '08 TL than a '09, in comparable condition.
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Here's unexciting news regarding Acura's future... by hpmctorque
Sep 21, 2009 (8:41 pm)
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From the October issue of Motor Trend:
  
"Acura's proposed rear-drive sedan and all-wheel-drive, V8 powered NSX replacement have gone from 'dead' to 'good and dead.' Late last year, Honda's CEO Takeo Fukui announced he had shelved plans for an all-wheel-drive next-generation NSX, a rear-drive platform for the RL, and a corporate V8 engine. His replacement as CEO, Takanobu Ito, has reiterated Honda's plans to concentrate on hybrid vehicles. 'I don't think we need a classic front-engine, rear-drive car,' Ito told a press conference. 'It would be meaningless to emulate what other companies have been doing for more than five decades.' "
 
While Honda has a history of doing things its own way, rather than following the crowd, their cars lack the excitement that they once had, in my opinion. Their future hybrids may be technological wonders, but to me, the term "hybrid" doesn't equate to "gotta have it!"
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Re: Here's unexciting news regarding Acura's future... [hpmctorque] by nippononly
Sep 21, 2009 (8:56 pm)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Sep 21, 2009 8:41 pm)

Yeah, and their latest hybrid the Insight hasn't exactly set the sales charts on fire - it's 5% more exciting than the most boring car on the planet (the Prius), and 5% less expensive. What did they expect?
 
Now Lexus has beaten them to market with the first entry-lux hybrid, the HS250 or whatever it is. Honda is really lagging, and it shows at Acura and at Honda both.
 
Will Honda bring out ANYTHING innovative?
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Re: Here's unexciting news regarding Acura's future... [nippononly] by hpmctorque
Sep 21, 2009 (9:07 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Sep 21, 2009 8:56 pm)

"Will Honda bring out ANYTHING innovative?"
 
I expect that they will, but I don't have much hope that future Acura models will appeal to people like us.
 
For '09, the Hondas that appeal the most to me are the Civic and the Fit. I think I mentioned that no Acura models appeal to me. Am I remembering correctly that you agreed?
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Re: Here's unexciting news regarding Acura's future... [hpmctorque] by anythngbutgm
Sep 22, 2009 (4:20 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Sep 21, 2009 9:07 pm)

I agree
 
Actually, I am curious about the 2010 - 2011 TL-S with AWD and a 6 speed manual. It may be too big and heavy to be fun though
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Re: Here's unexciting news regarding Acura's future... [hpmctorque] by nippononly
Sep 22, 2009 (5:56 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Sep 21, 2009 9:07 pm)

Yup, I agree. And the '11 TL-S will weigh about 3800 pounds, right? No way a car that heavy is going to be "fun". Gone are the days when any Acura was "fun".

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