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2004 Nissan Quest was CR recommended by deltheking
May 01, 2009 (2:06 pm)
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Another example--when 04 Quest came out,it was a CR recommended model.
But it actually is the worst minivan out there and the worst Nissan model and now CR lists it as used car to avoid...
So is it why Cr has stopped recommending new cars..I amnot totally sure,,but CR still recommends new redesigned cars..
Your opinion ?Thanks
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Re: - [deltheking] by backy
May 01, 2009 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: deltheking (May 01, 2009 1:59 pm)

Yes, there's more to this than dots. There's the numbers behind the dots. Also, some problems are weighted more heavily than others. Also, the dots are not the same in your examples. E.g. the Acadia has one "blank" dot, while the Edge has none of those. Also, you have to compare cars from the same model years, because the older a car gets, the more of a dropoff there is in reliability. So a newer car is expected by CR's rating scheme to be more reliable than an older car.
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Re: - [backy] by deltheking
May 01, 2009 (7:27 pm)
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Replying to: backy (May 01, 2009 6:10 pm)

So,say a 2007 car now in the 2009 CR survey has a red dot,,but then more problems emerge,,then in the 2010 survey ,,will the 2007 model now show a black dot as new data emerges or does it remain a red dot for the rest of it`s life.
Sure CR is slightly complicated but in my experience very accurate.
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Re: - [backy] by nortsr1
May 02, 2009 (5:09 am)
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Replying to: backy (May 01, 2009 6:10 pm)

Between your replies to deltaking and his to yours, I am now so totally confused as to the red full, red half and black dots...I have finally decided to no longer look at the dots and from now on just read reviews and take it from said reviews.
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KISS by imidazol97
May 02, 2009 (5:32 am)
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In reading the attempts to explain how CR uses the actual data from its unscientific survey to determine dots and reliability, I can only comment what most have learned from a science and math background: the Law of Parsimony. When it takes this much in and outing of different alleged factors to explain how CR is manipulating their dot system and how the dot system has changed through the years, it's not the real answer.
 
CR has manipulated the supposed data to fit their own opinions and uses that to set the dots. One only needs to read their evaluations of cars they like and one's they don't like in their comparison testing from an analytical POV to determine that's what's happening. The writing style used to minimize or maximize importance of problems noted in cars also explains their dot system is subjective.
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Re: KISS [imidazol97] by mickeyrom
May 02, 2009 (5:51 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (May 02, 2009 5:32 am)

Just because a car is dependable for it's first 25K miles does not mean that it will continue into the rest of it's life.My KIA has been great so far, but the jury is still out as far as I'm concerned.In other words lets see what the next 75K brings.That is the length of the warranty.
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Re: KISS [mickeyrom] by imidazol97
May 02, 2009 (5:55 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (May 02, 2009 5:51 am)

Not sure what your reply means for my post, but Hyundai is on my list to shop if we decide to buy a new car rather than a used one through the summer. Just as reliability for US brands has changed, the reliability for Hyundai/Kia has drastically changed.
 
The big negative for me is there's no nearby dealer.
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Re: KISS [imidazol97] by backy
May 02, 2009 (1:21 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (May 02, 2009 5:32 am)

So you are saying that it is not appropriate for CR to revise their reliability survey methodology over time--maybe in an attempt to make it better?
 
Unless you have some hard evidence to back up your assertion that CR is manipulating the survey data to fit their own opinions, I have to take that as opinion.
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Re: - [nortsr1] by backy
May 02, 2009 (1:21 pm)
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Replying to: nortsr1 (May 02, 2009 5:09 am)

Good idea.

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