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Smart Shopper Comments: Consumer Reports/JD Power Rankings
674 messages, Last post on Sep 13, 2009 at 2:37 PM
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Replying to: longo2 (Apr 23, 2009 8:16 pm) Odyssey discussion here about transmissions has new failures continually, often multiple failures in the same car. And the replacement transmissions are over-priced even after Honda pays "part" of the cost. |
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Apr 24, 2009 3:37 am) Good question mickey, I think part of the answer is the companies relentless happy face PR departments who provide the 'loaners' and free junkets to the Gearheads working at the Car-Mags. The publications depend on adverstising, and if a few big companies permanently pulled their glossy ad' pages, they would quickly diasapear off the magazine racks. Car Mags are Big multinational Businesses, and the last place you can source long term reliability information about the Cars they test, but enough people glance at all the glowing quicky reviews and think, "wow, that sounds great!" Look at the case of Hyundai, they were the Goats of the industry, running jokes on late night talk shows and had replaced the Skoda, Fiat, Lada and the Ford Pinto ( to name a few) as examples of how bad a car could be. Some Gear Heads still preface the test results of the highly rated Hyundai products by making snide remarks about the companies early models. It's about time Hyundai had a little chat with these one dimensional hacks and gave them some ideas about original 'lead ins for their reviews. Ever read a Car-Mag piece mentioning Toyotas 'Early Model ' rust buckets to start a review of the new? Or mention the Cadillacs with leaky engine blocks (we had one) that sprayed antifreeze like lawn sprinklers to begin a piece on GM products? To make this long story shorter, my point is, there's no money to made on head line stories of transmission problems, engine sludging, bad head gaskets, leaky interiors, or a thousand other poorly designed or manufactured items from any of the 'Majors'. Or a car writer that posted his own mpg calculation on his new test model? In fact if you did take this road, it would be a one way trip to the unemployment office. |
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Replying to: longo2 (Apr 23, 2009 8:16 pm) It specifically mentions the Ody tranny problem on these years and hence lists it in the CR used car list to avoid. Well for all cars I have owned,CR was so accurate ,,a black dot and I had that problem.I have 2 Camry`s-- absolutely problem free ,one with 120k miles and CR is very accurate on that.Toyota sludging also gets a mention in CR and it lists all the Toyota models and years which were affected.It also states the sludging is mostly due to folks not changing their oil regularly. I have an 04 Nissan quest and every problem CR lists as a black dot,,I have it.Same for my 99 Ford and 00 Nissan sentra. So ,CR in MHO is the most accurate out there,,,almost clinical,,U can almost predict the next problem in your car based on its findings. Just MHO. |
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"It specifically mentions the Ody tranny problem on these years and hence lists it in the CR used car list to avoid." Good to know, problem was, CR was behind the curve on the Ody transmission issues, when I bought my new one in 2003. Now if the Ody' was rated then as "New Car to Avoid" I would still be driving my Old Blue Van. I think CR has to pick up on the problems faster than they do and go with it. BTW, to be fair, I too have had vehicles that were Black Marked in certain areas that we never had issues with...luck of the draw..built on a Wed? |
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Replying to: longo2 (Apr 23, 2009 8:16 pm) This makes complee sense, SINCE CR could not predict the future, but sure enough, around 2007 I started to see black dots on the Accords V6 Auto Tranny in CR. CR made no mistake here with Honda. It's just that the parts didn't fail right away (often enough) to affect CR's rankings.
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Replying to: andres3 (Apr 29, 2009 5:11 pm) My point exactly...that bad Honda a/t had been out since 1999, and it took CR 8 years, and 2 years after that model was replaced by the new 2005 drive train did they finally mention it. The Accord, Acura and Odyssey all used the same a/t. at least those are the ones I know about. So, for all of us who bought those affected Honda products from 1999 to 2004 there was no mention of any issues with the a/t's from CR until 2007! If you research Honda transmission problems from 1999 and on, you will find lot of them were buring up in much less than 3.5 years, some of them in 6 months or less. Here's a good place to start if you are interested... http://guide.opendns.com/?url=Honda+transmission+problems&client=ie6
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Replying to: longo2 (Apr 29, 2009 7:44 pm) Many people report the replacements failing after a similarly small amount of mileage. Does get people to 100K to trade the vehicle, but for those keeping a car longer since they are reliable, having the transmission fail at 120K is on their own dime. So the free replacements (actually in the price of the car) aren't good if the replacements fail later on the customer's cost rather than running 200-250K. CR was too blinded by their favoritism to report on early symptoms. Note the popular smiling tester in from of a red S2000 with a big smile on his faceas an ad for CR.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 30, 2009 5:39 am) BTW, I have no dog in this fight, having never owned a Honda product.
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Replying to: 210delray (Apr 30, 2009 6:20 am) Point taken. For how many years have Hondas had early transmission failures... Back in the 90s the transmission warranties were extended to 100K and a longer time period because of Honda's transmissions. It's not an unknown problem. |
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Reporting on reliablity of the current crop of fast depreciating, poorly put together vehicles out there, needs to be improved, not only for the benifit of the Consumer, but for the health of the car companies as well. It does no one a service not to due everything possible not to hunt down reliabilty issues with the same focus as keeping track of your credit rating. If CR chiefley relies on it's members to report a/t issues, they are doing a great disservice to the rest of the car buying public. I stopped supporting CR years ago, after I too discovered that certain car brands got passes for problems with no reporting on those issues until long after anyone shopping for a that car, had already done the deal. Imagine how fast Honda would have come up with a solution to their a/t problems if CR had nailed them years sooner, early enough to cut into their $ales numbers. Everyone except CR seemed to know about the problem 5 or more years before they started Black Marking it.
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