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#665 of 674 Re: KISS [backy] by imidazol97 May 02, 2009 (4:47 pm)
Replying to: backy (May 02, 2009 1:21 pm) >maybe in an attempt to make it better?   How about they just list their data on each car with the number of questionnaires received for each model? That would be very clear. Instead, through the years, they have changed their data reporting appearance to make it appear that there are meaningful differences when there aren't. But that perpetuates their thinking and makes people believe CR has something meaningful in differences.   Wouldn't you rather have them report their information with full transparency? Replies to this message: backy (May 02, 2009 5:34 pm)
#666 of 674 Re: KISS [imidazol97] by backy May 02, 2009 (5:34 pm)
Replying to: imidazol97 (May 02, 2009 4:47 pm) I would prefer that CR be more clear about their methodology, but moreso on how they rank cars through their testing vs. the reliability scores. I have enough info on how they determine the reliability scores to satisfy me. From what I've seen, CR has provided more details about that in recent years. There's a long Q&A on it on their Web site, for example (viewable to non-subscribers too) that I have found helpful. I understand that the "dots" are a convenient way to report the survey results to a broad range of consumers--many of whom would be befuddled by just the raw data, IMO. They aren't perfect, but other organizations e.g. JD Power use a similar approach, e.g. a numerical score 1-5 instead of different colored dots. Also, I don't see other organizations such as JD Power report on the number of survey responses they receive on each vehicle model.
#667 of 674 Re: 2004 Nissan Quest was CR recommended [deltheking] by dtownfb May 03, 2009 (12:38 pm)
Replying to: deltheking (May 01, 2009 2:06 pm) I don't think the 2004 Nissan Quest was ever recommended by CR. It really is not a bad minivan at all. The first year was disatrous though.   Yes, I own one with 72k miles. Nissan extending the bumper to bumper to 5 yr/60k miles was a big help.   I think I like my minivan better now since I paid it off 3 months ago. Replies to this message: deltheking (May 03, 2009 1:26 pm) dtownfb (May 05, 2009 9:47 am)
#668 of 674 Re: 2004 Nissan Quest was CR recommended [dtownfb] by deltheking May 03, 2009 (1:26 pm)
Replying to: dtownfb (May 03, 2009 12:38 pm) If u have access to CR reports,,u can check it out.Check out for the review on the 04 Quest in the used cars section.There it states it is recommended.Later it was listed as a used car to avoid.But initially for the 1st year till data emerged it was recommended . Also,I have 04 used Quest which I bought 3 months ago.Knew all it`s problems.But needed a minivan and had got a real heck of a deal on it.A screaming bargain!So went ahead. But a new Quest??Absolutely no way...No comparison to Ody/Sienna,,,not even remotely close!! Replies to this message: dtownfb (May 05, 2009 9:47 am)
#669 of 674 Re: 2004 Nissan Quest was CR recommended [deltheking] by dtownfb May 05, 2009 (9:47 am)
Replying to: deltheking (May 03, 2009 1:26 pm) I'll have to check. I have access to the online version of CR.   I agree i would not buy another Quest. We'll ride this one to 100k miles. We'll definitely need another minivan with 3 kids. Ody/Sienna will be top on the list. Of course, never know what might be on the market in 3 years.
#670 of 674 Jd power initial quality survey/score by choe13 Jun 22, 2009 (4:25 pm)
Hyundai just became the highest ranked non luxury brand in terms of the IQS jumping from 13th last year to 4th this year.   The hungriest car company in the planet at the moment Replies to this message: longo2 (Jun 22, 2009 6:34 pm) deltheking (Jun 27, 2009 3:41 am)
#671 of 674 Re: Jd power initial quality survey/score [choe13] by longo2 Jun 22, 2009 (6:34 pm)
Replying to: choe13 (Jun 22, 2009 4:25 pm) Now if Hyundai would just put a 2.2 ltr clean Diesel engine in a Sonata, that goes 40+ mpg, I get rid of my "seemed like a good idea at the time" car decisions, and get one.   Seems I will have to buy a VW Jetta TDI until Hyundai gets the message that VW is busy selling their TDI's as fast as the trucks can deliver them.   All things considered I would guess a Hyundai TDI would be a home run hit for them.
#672 of 674 Re: Jd power initial quality survey/score [choe13] by deltheking Jun 27, 2009 (3:41 am)
Replying to: choe13 (Jun 22, 2009 4:25 pm) JD Powers IQS is the most worthless survey out there.3 months to evaluate a car and create a ratings system.Sheesh! CR is so reliable and accurate..And Hyundai has made terrific strides.You have got to hand it to them.From the ridiculed cars of the 90`s to the top of the pack challenging Toyota and Honda--well ,that takes some doing. CR`s info was so accurate for each vehicle owned--It was like a science.U could pinpoint a problem so correctly. Just MHO.
#673 of 674 A bit off topic,but why JD Power is useless compared to CR by deltheking Sep 13, 2009 (7:39 am)
I know it`s a bit off topic but since the CR vs JD Power thread is inactive and since a lot of folks-salesmen and buyers both- trash CR and say it is inaccurate and its reports are biased or false and that JD power relatively is a better survey,here is a link which shows the absurdity ,crappy nature of the JD Power. Brake dust is equivalent to engine failure on their survey and their chief acknowledges this brazenly Go Figure !! No wonder brands like LandRover try to trumpet this stupid rating system and claim their vehicles are more reliable. And it also shows how Hyundai is really catching up to Honda/Toyota which as a buyer is a good thing for me. The link: link title   Mods,please feel free to move this to a different thread if it`s more relevant there. Replies to this message: tidester (Sep 13, 2009 2:37 pm)
#674 of 674 Re: A bit off topic,but why JD Power is useless compared to CR [deltheking] by tidester HOST Sep 13, 2009 (2:37 pm)
Replying to: deltheking (Sep 13, 2009 7:39 am) It looks like the topic is active again.   tidester, host SUVs and Smart Shopper

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