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Re: Silverado vs. F-Series sales. [mschmal]
by belias
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May 16, 2007 (9:30 am)
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Replying to: mschmal (May 15, 2007 7:22 am)
Current sales to date for 2007 vary depending on what you use as your source, but the source you chose (assuming it is correct) doesn't account for when each manufacturer has their better sales month(s), so depending on when it is taken, one company can seem farther ahead than another. Still, even if the F-Series does out-sell the Silverado when the year is done, it will be by only a fairly slim margin since even their projections are essentially the same as Chevy's for sales this year.
Ford is in the unenviable position to not offer the same kind of incentives that competitors can. That is just one of a few reasons why their sales drop is more significant than anybody else's and why GM's sales drop is far less over the same period. Even if this were to continue (i.e. a level sales drop for the period) for the rest of the year for both Ford and Chevy, Chevy would come ahead because their sales drop is not even 5% of what Ford's is.
Add in GMC numbers and you can go back a few years before Ford ever eclipsed the two together. The Ford F-Series sales record is based on that technicality. In reality, Ford lost this battle going back well into the 90s.
In any case, the point is moot. Ford doesn't have much for options if it doesn't start showing a profit by the end of next year. They shouldn't be concerned with selling the most trucks -- they should be concerned with being able to sell them at a profit.
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April and YTD sales
by kcram HOST
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May 17, 2007 (5:32 pm)
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Sales reported from the manufacturers themselves:
Apr 07 Apr 06 +/- CY 2007 CY 2006 +/-
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F-Series...56,692/ 64,749/ -12.4/ 228,343/ 264,550/ -13.7
Silverado..49,436/ 57,709/ -14.3/ 202,151/ 203,062/ -0.4
Ram........31,503/ 30,814/ +2.0/ 122,816/ 121,200/ +1.0
Sierra.....16,849/ 17,179/ -2.0/ 64,639/ 63,201/ +2.3
Tundra.....14,200/ 8,837/ +60.7/ 43,386/ 40,662/ +6.7
Titan.......4,922/ 6,425/ -17.0/ 23,769/ 27,702/ -14.2
Chevy had a down month, but is still close to breaking even on the year. Ford is consistently down, month and year.
kcram - Pickups Host
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Re: Getting Back on topic [mschmal]
by bugchucker
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May 22, 2007 (10:15 pm)
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Replying to: mschmal (Apr 25, 2007 9:31 am)
Friends don't let friends buy ford. Do you know what a 1/2 ton is?
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Re: April and YTD sales [kcram]
by bugchucker
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May 22, 2007 (10:18 pm)
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Replying to: kcram (May 17, 2007 5:32 pm)
Wow! I guess the Tundra is king of the 1/2 tons.
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May and YTD sales
by kcram HOST
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Jun 01, 2007 (1:38 pm)
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...........May 07 May 06 +/- CY 2007 CY 2006 +/-
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F-Series...61,939/ 70,175/ -11.7/ 290,282/ 334,725/ -13.3
Silverado..63,790/ 55,316/ 10.9/ 265,941/ 258,378/ 2.9
Ram........31,327/ 29,599/ 6.0/ 154,143/ 150,799/ 2.0
Sierra.....19,467/ 17,756/ 5.4/ 84,106/ 80,957/ 3.9
Tundra.....17,727/ 7,974/ 113.8/ 61,113/ 48,636/ 24.7
Titan.......4,899/ 5,713/ -17.5/ 28,668/ 33,415/ -14.9
Mark LT.......670/ 957/ -30.0/ 3,576/ 5,576/ -35.9
(For those of you breaking out calculators, some manufacturers calculate percentage on daily sales rate, some do it by overall volume.)
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Re: May and YTD sales [kcram]
by rsholland
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Jun 04, 2007 (6:28 am)
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Replying to: kcram (Jun 01, 2007 1:38 pm)
Tundra May sales May 2007 vs. May 2006.
"Tundra sales were 17,727, up 122 percent."
http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/business/7789236.html
Bob
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Re: May and YTD sales [rsholland]
by kcram HOST
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Jun 04, 2007 (5:34 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Jun 04, 2007 6:28 am)
The 113.8% figure is from Toyota, and represents the sales rate increase... there was one fewer selling day last year in May.
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Re: May and YTD sales [kcram]
by jrl
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Jul 03, 2007 (9:04 pm)
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Replying to: kcram (Jun 04, 2007 5:34 pm)
The Sierra/Silverado debate is an interesting one in which I see both points. I'll give you my example. My uncle recently purchased a new truck. His decision came down to a GMC or a Ford. He would not consider a Chevrolet. (this was because his last truck was a chevy..and it did not perform to his satisfaction) In this case the Sierra was a very different truck for him than the silverado...even if it came down to a trust issue (he said GMC only focuses on trucks..unlike chevy division) Also..I think GM is smart enough that if they felt the majority of the public would view this battle the way some in here do...they will dispute Ford's claims on tv through advertisment. IMHO..I can't see how Ford has held onto the controversial title this long. To me there is no doubt that most Americans either trust a Chevy truck or a Ford truck. These two manufacturers know their competition..its the other guy. So if Chevy does not wrestle this title away in 07..I would be mad as a chevy man. How can you come out with the newest truck...and not have the best truck and sell the most? I can see how Toyota and Nissan and even Dodge can..because the trust and loyalty and name recognition it not there yet..but Chevy is. The same could be said for Ford in 2008. If they lose the title now or hang on..how could they not outsell Chevy in 09 after coming out with the newest trusted truck? Beats me? As for looks someone was mentioning earlier. I think looks have been the biggest weakness for chevy since the 70s as far as trucks go..inside and out...and although the last gen Ford was no beauty...the 04-07 has been considered "handsome" by many Car mags like Car and Driver and Motortrend. The new chevy is certainly much better looking however..inside and out..which is the reason why it should overtake ford this year (and fact that it is ALL new) As for truck of the year..its almost always just the new truck out. Come on..abra cadabra..2008-2009 truck of year will be new Ford as soon as it comes out..then...abra cadabra...2012 (I'm guessing here) chevy will have truck of year..see my point. Anyway...will Ford retain title..if they hang on this year, yes..if not regain it next year..but after that..will Ford even be around??? As a ford fan..I'm sad..just like I was when Chevy discontinued the camaro for a time..What is Chevy without Ford..what is Ford without Chevy...What is America without both. Car companies that once led us to victory..along with Chrysler..against the Nazi's may not see us through another generation. I'd rather buy a half-a$$ed Ford or Chevy and see it broke down in my driveway than purchase a Toyota, Honda, or Nissan. sorry..its crazy...but so is that American flag flying sideways in my front yard!
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June another big month for the Tundra
by rsholland
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Jul 04, 2007 (8:16 am)
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http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/3027
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Re: May and YTD sales [jrl]
by rsholland
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Jul 04, 2007 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: jrl (Jul 03, 2007 9:04 pm)
Your uncle's logic makes no "rational" sense. The Chevy and GMC are virtually the same truck, yet he prefers the GMC because of his past bad experience with Chevy.
I can see and understand his emotional feelings here, but to think his new GMC will be better than a new Chevy makes absoluely no sense. Maybe he expects the GMC "dealer" will treat him better—but that has nothing to do with the truck(s).
Bob
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