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Ford F-150, Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Dodge Ram Pickup 1500, GMC Sierra 1500, Nissan Titan, Car Buying, Truck
#55 of 577 (Yeah I know the 250 is a heavier duty truck than the other two, but it doe
May 05, 2007 (5:31 pm)
"You are a funny guy" How does it not matter when your comparing a F-250's Load rating,Tow capacity, to a 1/2 ton Tundra and Silverado/Sierra? I'm still laughing! Can i use the GMC-TOPKICK for the comparison then? lol..........
Also the 2007 Motor Trend Truck of the year> Silverado (1/2)Ton gets better milage with a class leading 367-HP engine then a "COMPARABLY EQUIPPED" 2007 Ford F-150! And ride quality the Silverado/Sierra is second to none!
Go check out my home page,i have a Indigo Blue 93'Sierra(SLE)Z-71 Reg Cab,Short Box I've been restoring for the past 2-1/2 years in my spare time. I wouldn't trade that Truck "straight up" for a 2007 F-150 (I'm Adding Pictures All The Time)Have a great day!
#56 of 577 Re: Ford May Not Last [93gmcdrivermn]
May 07, 2007 (5:03 am)
Take a deep breath and count to ten and relax... you've made your point. The combination of the Silverado/Sierra does out-sell Ford, but Ford is #1 in sales on this technicality, that's all.
And besides, neither company is the "winner" on this. Until Ford or GM posts some kind of sustainable profit (i.e. lets just start by getting 3 or 4 quarters of profit), neither are winners. They could sell millions of trucks every year, but it they're bleeding money from all ends, it doesn't matter. What matters is if they can stay in business to do so. In that respect, GM is in a much better position than Ford, but that is merely saying that GM won't drown before Ford... point is that neither of them should be in deep water in the first place.
#57 of 577 Re: Pickup truck comparison [cptchetco]
May 07, 2007 (5:10 am)
You can't compare 3/4 ton trucks to 1/2 ton trucks any more than I can compare Formula 1 to Nascar. There is a big difference and it isn't even worth mentioning here, but they are distinctly orange to apples.
As for Toyota's sales numbers, I don't know where you're getting that, but so far it is the only company that has higher 1/2 ton truck sales as of April. All others have sold less vehicles when compared to the same month last year. The truck market in general is getting hit hard because of gas prices. Not that Toyota is a threat to GM or Ford in this regard, but they are not as dependent on truck sales for revenue that the GM and Ford are.
However, this hit in sales may affect Ford the most since GM has new models this year. Truck buyers are pretty loyal to their brand, but there are always a few that will try something new!
#58 of 577 Should have fired design team long ago! [belias]
May 07, 2007 (2:59 pm)
Your the first person I've got to admit that Ford does not out sell Silverado/Sierra! They all use Silverado only in there comparison and technically Ford's claim is misleading the public! A public that unfortunately believes everything they see in the media as gospel! If Ford had two full size trucks you can bet they would use both in making there claim! Ford needs to get off it" they have not out sold >GM< in years! Ford has made some real ugly Cars and Trucks over the years to say the least. And has always been behind the other two Companies in that aspect. I believe once the Companies restructure and put there resourses into a few good cars and trucks instead of fifty! They will gain the edge again and be a force in the Automotive industry! Myself i will still buy nothing but American made! All these people buying Tundras and anything else out of our scapmetal are just killing these Companies and our Country!
#59 of 577 Re: Should have fired design team long ago! [93gmcdrivermn]
May 10, 2007 (5:06 am)
Well, I, like you see no reason why the GMC/Chevy nameplate shouldn't be combined when comparing sales, but again, it is being done on a technicality -- something that is exploited a great deal in the media and by marketing in general. However, even without combining the two, it looks like this year the Silverado on its own will outsell Ford. Sales numbers already show that this is the case, though anything can happen with 7.5 months to go.
As for buying American, suffice it to say that arguments have been made back and forth on what constitutes "American" any more. All companies have changed and I don't believe that competition has been detrimental to the Detroit3 in any way. I think the biggest drain on those companies has been the UAW. But, that's my personal opinion, not everyone will agree with me on this. There are obviously other reasons as well, but that stands out as the single largest drain on those companies.
People can buy what they want with their own money and find ways to justify it as they like. I do agree that actual Ford vs GM sales for trucks has favored GM for years and will continue to be that way for a long time. Ford is in severe financial trouble and will likely try to out-wait Chrysler in the battle of who folds first. Either way, there is probably less than 2 years left for either Ford or Chrysler before one goes under or is bought out by someone else. The landscape in this industry is going to change as a result.
#60 of 577 Silverado vs. F-Series sales.
May 15, 2007 (8:22 am)
OK so as of the End of April, Ford F-Series racked up 228,343 sales and Silverado racked up 202,151.
Please explain how you can conclude that Silverado will outsell F-Series for 2007 based on those numbers? Or do you have a crystal ball you are looking into?
#61 of 577 Re: Silverado vs. F-Series sales. [mschmal]
May 16, 2007 (10:30 am)
Current sales to date for 2007 vary depending on what you use as your source, but the source you chose (assuming it is correct) doesn't account for when each manufacturer has their better sales month(s), so depending on when it is taken, one company can seem farther ahead than another. Still, even if the F-Series does out-sell the Silverado when the year is done, it will be by only a fairly slim margin since even their projections are essentially the same as Chevy's for sales this year.
Ford is in the unenviable position to not offer the same kind of incentives that competitors can. That is just one of a few reasons why their sales drop is more significant than anybody else's and why GM's sales drop is far less over the same period. Even if this were to continue (i.e. a level sales drop for the period) for the rest of the year for both Ford and Chevy, Chevy would come ahead because their sales drop is not even 5% of what Ford's is.
Add in GMC numbers and you can go back a few years before Ford ever eclipsed the two together. The Ford F-Series sales record is based on that technicality. In reality, Ford lost this battle going back well into the 90s.
In any case, the point is moot. Ford doesn't have much for options if it doesn't start showing a profit by the end of next year. They shouldn't be concerned with selling the most trucks -- they should be concerned with being able to sell them at a profit.
#62 of 577 April and YTD sales
by KCRam@Edmunds HOST
May 17, 2007 (6:32 pm)
Sales reported from the manufacturers themselves:
Apr 07 Apr 06 +/- CY 2007 CY 2006 +/-
F-Series...56,692/ 64,749/ -12.4/ 228,343/ 264,550/ -13.7
Silverado..49,436/ 57,709/ -14.3/ 202,151/ 203,062/ -0.4
Ram........31,503/ 30,814/ +2.0/ 122,816/ 121,200/ +1.0
Sierra.....16,849/ 17,179/ -2.0/ 64,639/ 63,201/ +2.3
Tundra.....14,200/ 8,837/ +60.7/ 43,386/ 40,662/ +6.7
Titan.......4,922/ 6,425/ -17.0/ 23,769/ 27,702/ -14.2
Chevy had a down month, but is still close to breaking even on the year. Ford is consistently down, month and year.
kcram - Pickups Host
#63 of 577 Re: Getting Back on topic [mschmal]
May 22, 2007 (11:15 pm)
Friends don't let friends buy ford. Do you know what a 1/2 ton is?
#64 of 577 Re: April and YTD sales [kcram]
May 22, 2007 (11:18 pm)
Wow! I guess the Tundra is king of the 1/2 tons.