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Ford F-150, Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Dodge Ram Pickup 1500, GMC Sierra 1500, Nissan Titan, Car Buying, Truck
#400 of 577 Re: Truck of the year. [obyone]
Dec 25, 2007 (6:22 am)
"While it is true that a new or redesigned vehicle is a requirement, the Tundra was redesigned for the model year 2007 and NOT 2008. So the question remains why was the Tundra the MT Truck of the Year for 2008 when it was introduced in 2007 as a 2007 model?"
My understanding is the '07 Tundra wasn't ready in time for the '07 TOTY. The rumor is the Tundra was delayed to tweak its interior to better match GM's (keep working on that Toyota). I imagine that's why they held it over to '08 so it'd get a shot.
Motor Trend ran a separate competition of the '07 Silverado against the '07 Tundra. The Silverado won but, in fairness to Toyota, the Tundra did very well, maybe even a tad better. The vehicles Motor Trend got from the manufacturers for the piece weren't very well matched in equipment and the bloated price of the Tundra ended up tipping the scales against it.
I can't blame GM ('07) and Toyota ('08) for including TOTY in their marketing hype. but TOTY is a meaningless award. Even Motor Trend admits their criteria for inclusion in the competition is so restrictive too few trucks go head to head to make it interesting or meaningful. They're stuck with this mess as long as they stick to TOTY being a copy-cat of COTY.
#402 of 577 Re: Truck of the year. [mschmal]
Dec 26, 2007 (2:08 pm)
Thought you'd be interested in seeing some *other* youtube videos about Tundra, posted by real owners, not scam "race" videos by the company.
Excessive Tundra Bed bounce due to weak frame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6KmwB2LyY
Massive Bed bounce and twist captured in Torsional reaction video study of F150, Silverado, and Tundra (hint: Tundra sucks)
#403 of 577 Bounce on that tundra bed?
Dec 26, 2007 (5:34 pm)
So folks sure aint workin them tundra ones with that bed bounce now. How is that tundra goin last in them fields now? How much did that factory pay that motor trend for that award? That forien one sure is goin break fast if worked hard, thats for sure! Good luck on this one now!
#404 of 577 Re: Truck of the year. [autuer]
Dec 26, 2007 (7:33 pm)
mschmal, thanks for posting those links. Particularly the highway footage of the Tundra's ridiculous vibration problem.
There's also one put out comparing frame flex with the Ford F-150 vs. the Tundra by the same folks who put out the bed bounce video you posted. I don't have it handy but it demonstrates the superiority of a fully boxed frame, the F-150's in this case (I'm sure they're sponsored by Ford). They put weights on one corner of each frame and the Tundra's c-frame bends like a reed in the wind while the Ford is far stronger. It may explain the Tundra's massive flex in the bed bounce video you posted because the Tundra's weaker frame is bound to flex like crazy in a test like that. The Chevy's excessive play in the rear appears to be suspension issues, not the bed flexing much and it, too, is fully boxed.
Of course, these are just tests. How practical are they? But they do prove that the fully boxed frames of the new Fords and GMs are far more rigid.
Toyota, a company leaning heavily on a reputation of uncompromising quality, has really cut corners in the Tundra. Mediocre crash test scores. Weaker frame. Cheaper interior. Relatively unsophisticated 4x4 system. Limited slip differential (versus locking). Then they have the nerve to charge thousands more just because it says "Toyota" on the tailgate.
#407 of 577 Re: Tundra vs. GMC Sierra [sknabt]
Dec 26, 2007 (9:41 pm)
Get off my butt? you have got to be kidding.I have much more important things to take care of than, visiting showrooms and the interiors of sierras I know those things are importent to you but i just don't have time for the lies and propaganda. Glad you have time in your life for all of that, you must be retired or being payed by well who ever. Happy new year!
#408 of 577 Flexy beds cant be worked hard in fields!
Dec 27, 2007 (7:49 am)
Why cant that factory figure this one out now? If that frame aint boxed on that tundra, how is that one goin last long workin them fields and such? We need trucks with haul, and ones that last long now. First we got them hi-lux ones, then them t100 ones, and then them little tundras. All of them ones break quick if worked hard. Now that factory gives us them new bigger tundra ones... but they got that t100 frame! That frame is goin twist and snap when loaded down now. Once again that forien factory is trickin folks into buyin them ones, yet they are bustin quick! Me, I will stick with them big3 ones, them ones last long and work hard. Fact is facts on this one now. Good luck on this one now!
#409 of 577 Most recalled vehicle of all time.
Dec 27, 2007 (11:13 am)
Actually I think the Chevy Trailblazer has had a quite a few more recalled than the Focus ever did.