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550 messages, Last post on Nov 15, 2009 at 7:37 PM
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Replying to: b2900 (Dec 24, 2007 2:31 pm) The F-150 and Ram 1500 will both start production this coming summer, so both will be available for 2009 TOY honors. kcram - Pickups Host
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Replying to: kcram (Dec 24, 2007 8:24 pm) Autoblog Quote out of context, "Our money was on the F-450 for this award, as the truly super truck from Ford is rather peerless in the market. But we're not the editors of Motor Trend, and it's their award to give to whomever they choose. We're sure they're ready for the onslaught of armchair automotive journalism that's coming their way." Course we all have our opinions. |
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Replying to: obyone (Dec 23, 2007 9:58 pm) My understanding is the '07 Tundra wasn't ready in time for the '07 TOTY. The rumor is the Tundra was delayed to tweak its interior to better match GM's (keep working on that Toyota). I imagine that's why they held it over to '08 so it'd get a shot. Motor Trend ran a separate competition of the '07 Silverado against the '07 Tundra. The Silverado won but, in fairness to Toyota, the Tundra did very well, maybe even a tad better. The vehicles Motor Trend got from the manufacturers for the piece weren't very well matched in equipment and the bloated price of the Tundra ended up tipping the scales against it. I can't blame GM ('07) and Toyota ('08) for including TOTY in their marketing hype. but TOTY is a meaningless award. Even Motor Trend admits their criteria for inclusion in the competition is so restrictive too few trucks go head to head to make it interesting or meaningful. They're stuck with this mess as long as they stick to TOTY being a copy-cat of COTY.
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Replying to: sknabt (Dec 25, 2007 6:22 am) http://www.motortrend.com/av/of_the_year/112_2008toty_toyota_tundra_winner |
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Replying to: mschmal (Dec 23, 2007 8:43 pm) Excessive Tundra Bed bounce due to weak frame: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U6KmwB2LyY Massive Bed bounce and twist captured in Torsional reaction video study of F150, Silverado, and Tundra (hint: Tundra sucks) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWjTbiYo3x0 Enjoy.
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| So folks sure aint workin them tundra ones with that bed bounce now. How is that tundra goin last in them fields now? How much did that factory pay that motor trend for that award? That forien one sure is goin break fast if worked hard, thats for sure! Good luck on this one now! | |
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Replying to: autuer (Dec 26, 2007 2:08 pm) There's also one put out comparing frame flex with the Ford F-150 vs. the Tundra by the same folks who put out the bed bounce video you posted. I don't have it handy but it demonstrates the superiority of a fully boxed frame, the F-150's in this case (I'm sure they're sponsored by Ford). They put weights on one corner of each frame and the Tundra's c-frame bends like a reed in the wind while the Ford is far stronger. It may explain the Tundra's massive flex in the bed bounce video you posted because the Tundra's weaker frame is bound to flex like crazy in a test like that. The Chevy's excessive play in the rear appears to be suspension issues, not the bed flexing much and it, too, is fully boxed. Of course, these are just tests. How practical are they? But they do prove that the fully boxed frames of the new Fords and GMs are far more rigid. Toyota, a company leaning heavily on a reputation of uncompromising quality, has really cut corners in the Tundra. Mediocre crash test scores. Weaker frame. Cheaper interior. Relatively unsophisticated 4x4 system. Limited slip differential (versus locking). Then they have the nerve to charge thousands more just because it says "Toyota" on the tailgate. |
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