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#389 of 550 Re: Tundra vs. GMC Sierra [b2900] by sknabt Dec 23, 2007 (8:55 am)
Replying to: b2900 (Dec 22, 2007 5:59 pm) b2900, I certainly can understand people buying Japanese based upon reputation, particularly Honda and Toyota. In fact, reliability is pretty huge with me because I own for the long-term. Most cars are reliable for the first couple of years. It's year 5 and out that exposes the real dogs.   However, someone like you who buys a Toyota then trades it in every 3 years shouldn't worry about quality. Sure, some people get lemons but it's the rare vehicle that isn't going to be pretty trouble free for 3 years. Plus, all carry warranties that long.   That said, the Toyota only makes sense in a RWD configuration, at least the '07 I was looking at. The 4x4 Tundra is "worse than average" according to Consumer Reports. Maybe Toyota's 2 recalls fixed the problems. We won't know for a while.   I can understand resale being important but only if the vehicles you are comparing cost roughly the same. My experience is an '08 Tundra Limited is thousands more than a comparable '08 GMC Sierra SLT (the Silverado is cheaper still). It becomes a time value of money calculation. Pay more now with money you could use or earn interest on or get more depreciated dollars (inflation) in the future. I didn't look at long-term trade-in values but I have a feeling most of the assumed Toyota payoff advantage is illusionary.   I realize there's a lot of folks out there who will only buy Ford, Dodge, or Chevy trucks. I'm not brand loyal but I can understand it. Toyota's reputation is creating Toyota fans, too. I'll be the first to admit there's no prestige in owning a GMC. People assume they're crap. GM has trashed its reputation. People tell me I'm crazy all the time.   While not brand loyal, the $3k GM credit makes me look there first. Frankly, I was amazed how good a job GM did with the Sierra (and the Silverado). The SLT interior blew me away. I was pretty much sold when people - the ones who said I was crazy - convinced me to look at the Tundra. I had researched the Tundra so knew of the quality problems but, because it was a 'legendary' Toyota, kept assuming it would be better built. Looking at one on the lot and test driving one convinced me otherwise.   Admittedly, I didn't look at a Ford or Dodge. The GM credit was too big of an incentive. I did seriously look at the smaller Nissan Frontier (major disappointment in all areas) when I was flirting with smaller trucks. I'd be lying if, after owning Japanese going back to the early '80s, I wasn't nervous about owning a domestic brand. But for once I don't see an advantage in paying a huge premium for a Japanese brand, specifically Toyota.   All full-size trucks are so good, IMHO, there's no reason to pay a huge premium for one over another. Take away the $3k credit, maybe I seriously ponder Nissan Titan or Ford F-150. Toyota, IMHO, is a poor value given the competition. Replies to this message: b2900 (Dec 23, 2007 9:38 am)
#390 of 550 Re: Tundra vs. GMC Sierra [sknabt] by b2900 Dec 23, 2007 (9:38 am)
Replying to: sknabt (Dec 23, 2007 8:55 am) Point taken and well composed. Sknabt a few post back you mentioned my Toyota sales rep. I have had the same one since 1997. A comment he made to me, when questioned the price of the Toyota I was considering (not $500.00 ) off list back in 1997 was "The first Toyota is the only expensive one" So far he has been totally correct
#391 of 550 Truck of the year. by mschmal Dec 23, 2007 (8:43 pm)
FIRST, Motor Trend only considers NEW OR REDESIGNED vehicles for the vehicle of the year awards. Accordingly, the Tundra was about the only full sized truck that qualified.   There are a few build facts that you just cannot escape when comparing the Toyota to the Ford F-150 for instance.   The F-150 uses a fully boxed frame from bumper to bumper with hydro forming under the engine and cab.   Tundra uses "tripletec" this is hydro formed and boxed under the engine only, boxxed under the cab and open c-channel under the bed.   Ford F-150 frame is much strong.   Tundra uses cross beams in the frame that are riveted to the side rails.   Ford F-150 uses cross beams that pass through the side rail and the are riveted on BOTH SIDES of the side rail.   As a result the Ford F-150 frame is MUCH MUCH stronger.   Ford has more trucks on the road than anyone else with over 250,000 miles on them. Replies to this message: obyone (Dec 23, 2007 9:58 pm) kcram (Dec 24, 2007 1:52 pm) b2900 (Dec 24, 2007 2:31 pm) and 4 more... sknabt (Dec 25, 2007 6:22 am) b2900 (Dec 25, 2007 4:23 pm) b2900 (Dec 23, 2007 10:27 pm) autuer (Dec 26, 2007 2:08 pm) sknabt (Dec 26, 2007 7:33 pm)
#392 of 550 Re: Truck of the year. [mschmal] by obyone Dec 23, 2007 (9:58 pm)
Replying to: mschmal (Dec 23, 2007 8:43 pm) "FIRST, Motor Trend only considers NEW OR REDESIGNED vehicles for the vehicle of the year awards. Accordingly, the Tundra was about the only full sized truck that qualified. "   While it is true that a new or redesigned vehicle is a requirement, the Tundra was redesigned for the model year 2007 and NOT 2008. So the question remains why was the Tundra the MT Truck of the Year for 2008 when it was introduced in 2007 as a 2007 model? Replies to this message: kcram (Dec 24, 2007 1:52 pm) b2900 (Dec 24, 2007 2:31 pm) obyone (Dec 24, 2007 6:05 pm) and 1 more... kcram (Dec 24, 2007 8:24 pm) and 1 more... sknabt (Dec 25, 2007 6:22 am) b2900 (Dec 25, 2007 4:23 pm)
#393 of 550 Re: Truck of the year. [mschmal] by b2900 Dec 23, 2007 (10:27 pm)
Replying to: mschmal (Dec 23, 2007 8:43 pm) I remember the Ford Taurus being the biggest selling car then came the Camry. This blog is exactly about Tundra doing the same in the future. I am sure you may be correct that Ford has a superior frame but I am confident that Tundra will perform just well. Ford’s record speaks for itself they have far more issues with quality then they care to admit. Having the distinct honor of highest recalled car in history the Ford Focus. With regards to Ford tucks having the highest number of truck with high miles on the road likely is correct as well but rest assured that is being challenged one Tundra at a time.Ford boast quality is job #1 Toyota simply build quality, its their way, not their job.
#394 of 550 Re: Truck of the year. [obyone] by kcram HOST Dec 24, 2007 (1:52 pm)
Replying to: obyone (Dec 23, 2007 9:58 pm) Wasn't in production yet. The Motor Trend "___ of the year" testing is done in the fall, and the stipulation is, the vehicle must be in retail production when the testing is done... otherwise it qualifies for the following year's competition.   kcram - Pickups Host Replies to this message: b2900 (Dec 24, 2007 2:31 pm) obyone (Dec 24, 2007 6:05 pm) h20 (Dec 24, 2007 7:06 pm) kcram (Dec 24, 2007 8:24 pm) obyone (Dec 25, 2007 1:24 am)
#395 of 550 Re: Truck of the year. [kcram] by b2900 Dec 24, 2007 (2:31 pm)
Replying to: kcram (Dec 24, 2007 1:52 pm) I can only assume that there were no new 2008 models by any other company. Or another assumption would be it and the Silverado was a tie last year and it would on;ly be given that the Tundra would be this year truck(I am sure that will cause a reponse for GM owners!) Anyways Merry Christmas to all and a healthy New Yaer! Replies to this message: obyone (Dec 24, 2007 6:05 pm) h20 (Dec 24, 2007 7:06 pm) kcram (Dec 24, 2007 8:24 pm) obyone (Dec 25, 2007 1:24 am)
#396 of 550 Re: Truck of the year. [b2900] by obyone Dec 24, 2007 (6:05 pm)
Replying to: b2900 (Dec 24, 2007 2:31 pm) "Or another assumption would be it and the Silverado was a tie last year and it would on;ly be given that the Tundra would be this year truck"   There may have been a response but I don't quite understand your previous statement. Replies to this message: h20 (Dec 24, 2007 7:06 pm)
#397 of 550 Re: Truck of the year. [obyone] by h20 Dec 24, 2007 (7:06 pm)
Replying to: obyone (Dec 24, 2007 6:05 pm) Merry Christmas.
#398 of 550 Re: Truck of the year. [b2900] by kcram HOST Dec 24, 2007 (8:24 pm)
Replying to: b2900 (Dec 24, 2007 2:31 pm) The Silverado/Sierra HD and Ford Super Duty were also in this year's TOY competition, as they did not begin production until after last year's contest was completed. Motor Trend always claims that trucks are scored against their direct competition, so the Tundra was rated against all the current half-tons, as opposed to the heavy pickups which were rated against each other and the Dodge Ram HD.   The F-150 and Ram 1500 will both start production this coming summer, so both will be available for 2009 TOY honors.   kcram - Pickups Host Replies to this message: obyone (Dec 25, 2007 1:24 am)

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