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Full-size pickup sales - F-150 best selling truck, but for how much longer??

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#383 of 551 Re: Tundra vs. GMC Sierra [sknabt] by b2900 Dec 22, 2007 (2:46 pm)
Replying to: sknabt (Dec 22, 2007 7:22 am) You said it yourself, not I, It is a fact GM keeps discounting their vehicles and trucks literally to the point they are losing money,simply because of poor sales. In turn explains the direct result of the poor resale there loyal owners have when trading these trucks in, Sknabt that’s the package you just purchased. Toyota to the best of my knowledge have never shown annual losses any year since they have been in business. Common knowledge is the higher resale value that a majority of Toyota owners enjoy.I give you a video and ask you to watch all of it, then feel free to write me a book on the proof of seeing the performance of your GMC towing ability and braking. I am sure many reviewing this blog will see that I do not need a eye exam however you may need a reality check. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uH_qnCCBY0 Replies to this message: farmerrube (Dec 22, 2007 3:14 pm) sknabt (Dec 22, 2007 3:21 pm) mule4 (Dec 22, 2007 4:22 pm) b2900 (Dec 22, 2007 5:59 pm) sknabt (Dec 23, 2007 8:55 am) and 1 more...
#384 of 551 Re: Tundra vs. GMC Sierra [b2900] by farmerrube Dec 22, 2007 (3:14 pm)
Replying to: b2900 (Dec 22, 2007 2:46 pm) That tundra factory is trickin folks with that video! Them big3 ones is runnin 6 cylinders why them forien ones is runnin them v8 engines! Them big3 ones with the 6 cylinders is keepin up with the forien ones too! Don't be tricked, if you want one for workin and haulin, get them big3 ones... the ones that last! If your lookin to work that hiway, or chasin after that truck fad... get that tundra. But don't work that tundra hard, or it will bust quick. Facts is facts! Good luck on this one now!
#385 of 551 Re: Tundra vs. GMC Sierra [b2900] by sknabt Dec 22, 2007 (3:21 pm)
Replying to: b2900 (Dec 22, 2007 2:46 pm) That's great, b2900, post me a video of a Tundra crossing the line .51 seconds faster than the next faster competition. Did you buy a Tundra to stop light race with other pickups? If that's what's important to you then buy the Tundra and have a ball.   People who care about safety would pick the Sierra/Silverado over the Tundra. Personally, my 2nd set of wheels is a Honda S2000 so obviously safety isn't a big concern.   My Sierra won't be a work truck nor a hauler. I haven't compared the stats down the line in load and hauling for both vehicles. If one has an edge then that may sway some folks.   I'm looking for more versatility than my beater trade-in SUV. I also need comfortable, highly adjustable seating. That's where the Tundra starts dropping the ball. And while cheap knobs and cheap plastics don't have any practical effect functionally, who wants to pay top dollar for a vehicle with a sub-par interior? Heck, it's why people have been fleeing domestic brands for years.   You sound like my Toyota salesman. Pay more up front because the GM depreciates faster. Yet, he had me comparing an '07 Tundra to an '08 Sierra. I was already eating an extra year's worth with the Tundra because the '08s cost too darn much. But, to be frank, that's only a persuasive argument for folks who frequently trade in. I keep a vehicle 10 or more years after they're all used up. The Isuzu Trooper I'm trading in is limping so bad I'm nervous it won't make it to the dealer when I trade it in.   Obviously, there's no 1 shoe fits all answer to car buying. For example, the GMC dealers in my city are far better than the Toyota dealers. But I'm sure others have the exact opposite experience.   But I don't see a single solitary area where a GMC Sierra SLT isn't going toe-to-toe with a Tundra Limited. One would assume Toyota's legendary quality would make the choice easy but they've dropped the ball on this one. In a 4x4 configuration, Consumer Reports rates the Toyota lower than the GMs. I didn't compare the work truck interiors but the top-of-the-line interior of the Sierra far surpasses the lackluster Tundra Limited's. A final disadvantage is the Tundra wants the buyer to pay a premium price in most configurations.   I see a lot of the new Tundras on the road. Their sales are up better than 50%. So super-sizing the Tundra is a marketing success but I feel Tundra is an example of Toyota riding their reputation. I wonder how many Tundra buyers even looked at/researched a GM, Ford, or Dodge? I bet many just assumed they're crap and paid whatever Toyota asked for. Replies to this message: mule4 (Dec 22, 2007 4:22 pm) b2900 (Dec 22, 2007 5:59 pm) sknabt (Dec 23, 2007 8:55 am) b2900 (Dec 23, 2007 9:38 am)
#386 of 551 Re: Tundra vs. GMC Sierra [sknabt] by mule4 Dec 22, 2007 (4:22 pm)
Replying to: sknabt (Dec 22, 2007 3:21 pm) I bought a 2007 tunder off road 4- wheel drive sr5 loaded less leather.$34500 cash. I am pleased with it. Only had torc conveter problem I got burnt on 1 new chev truck & 1 new cadillac & will never buy another.The only thing that was good about Gm.was i made enough buying & selling their co. stock when they were negotiating their contract to pay half of the cost of the tundra.Now their stock is no good.
#387 of 551 Re: Tundra vs. GMC Sierra [sknabt] by b2900 Dec 22, 2007 (5:59 pm)
Replying to: sknabt (Dec 22, 2007 3:21 pm) Nope I did not purchase my Tundra as a result of the attached videos from the YouTube video, Frankly I never seen them till after my purchase. Sknabt I use to own North American made vehicles and frankly that’s why I now own Toyota. I refuse to knock the Big Three I wish only to share my personal experience. What is important to me is safety, 4 star Toyota to a 5 star G.M. should be considered without question However most accidents are a direct result of not being able to stop fast enough. The difference between the G.M. and the Tundra could be the difference between life and death Be either truck empty or loaded. Sknabt sincerely I am not here to kick stones. I have stated that before. I do trade my trucks every three years so resale is very crucial to me my budget and the money I do not have to put out. You have your preference and I mine. Personally I am glad this full size Tundra came out. I feel it looks tuff. It is ready for work. It has Toyota ingenuity along with Toyota quality. If my Tundra presents any major problems my feeling towards Toyota would be no different than my feelings toward the Big Three. Until then Toyota has earned my respect since 1997. Replies to this message: sknabt (Dec 23, 2007 8:55 am) b2900 (Dec 23, 2007 9:38 am)
#388 of 551 Pee wee pumpkins squeal when worked hard... by farmerrube Dec 22, 2007 (6:37 pm)
Heard that driveshaft is bustin on them tundra ones, but what about them pumpkins? Any folk work that tunda in them fields yet? Once that factory beefs that driveshaft, is them pumpkins next part to bust? Good luck on this one now!
#389 of 551 Re: Tundra vs. GMC Sierra [b2900] by sknabt Dec 23, 2007 (8:55 am)
Replying to: b2900 (Dec 22, 2007 5:59 pm) b2900, I certainly can understand people buying Japanese based upon reputation, particularly Honda and Toyota. In fact, reliability is pretty huge with me because I own for the long-term. Most cars are reliable for the first couple of years. It's year 5 and out that exposes the real dogs.   However, someone like you who buys a Toyota then trades it in every 3 years shouldn't worry about quality. Sure, some people get lemons but it's the rare vehicle that isn't going to be pretty trouble free for 3 years. Plus, all carry warranties that long.   That said, the Toyota only makes sense in a RWD configuration, at least the '07 I was looking at. The 4x4 Tundra is "worse than average" according to Consumer Reports. Maybe Toyota's 2 recalls fixed the problems. We won't know for a while.   I can understand resale being important but only if the vehicles you are comparing cost roughly the same. My experience is an '08 Tundra Limited is thousands more than a comparable '08 GMC Sierra SLT (the Silverado is cheaper still). It becomes a time value of money calculation. Pay more now with money you could use or earn interest on or get more depreciated dollars (inflation) in the future. I didn't look at long-term trade-in values but I have a feeling most of the assumed Toyota payoff advantage is illusionary.   I realize there's a lot of folks out there who will only buy Ford, Dodge, or Chevy trucks. I'm not brand loyal but I can understand it. Toyota's reputation is creating Toyota fans, too. I'll be the first to admit there's no prestige in owning a GMC. People assume they're crap. GM has trashed its reputation. People tell me I'm crazy all the time.   While not brand loyal, the $3k GM credit makes me look there first. Frankly, I was amazed how good a job GM did with the Sierra (and the Silverado). The SLT interior blew me away. I was pretty much sold when people - the ones who said I was crazy - convinced me to look at the Tundra. I had researched the Tundra so knew of the quality problems but, because it was a 'legendary' Toyota, kept assuming it would be better built. Looking at one on the lot and test driving one convinced me otherwise.   Admittedly, I didn't look at a Ford or Dodge. The GM credit was too big of an incentive. I did seriously look at the smaller Nissan Frontier (major disappointment in all areas) when I was flirting with smaller trucks. I'd be lying if, after owning Japanese going back to the early '80s, I wasn't nervous about owning a domestic brand. But for once I don't see an advantage in paying a huge premium for a Japanese brand, specifically Toyota.   All full-size trucks are so good, IMHO, there's no reason to pay a huge premium for one over another. Take away the $3k credit, maybe I seriously ponder Nissan Titan or Ford F-150. Toyota, IMHO, is a poor value given the competition. Replies to this message: b2900 (Dec 23, 2007 9:38 am)
#390 of 551 Re: Tundra vs. GMC Sierra [sknabt] by b2900 Dec 23, 2007 (9:38 am)
Replying to: sknabt (Dec 23, 2007 8:55 am) Point taken and well composed. Sknabt a few post back you mentioned my Toyota sales rep. I have had the same one since 1997. A comment he made to me, when questioned the price of the Toyota I was considering (not $500.00 ) off list back in 1997 was "The first Toyota is the only expensive one" So far he has been totally correct
#391 of 551 Truck of the year. by mschmal Dec 23, 2007 (8:43 pm)
FIRST, Motor Trend only considers NEW OR REDESIGNED vehicles for the vehicle of the year awards. Accordingly, the Tundra was about the only full sized truck that qualified.   There are a few build facts that you just cannot escape when comparing the Toyota to the Ford F-150 for instance.   The F-150 uses a fully boxed frame from bumper to bumper with hydro forming under the engine and cab.   Tundra uses "tripletec" this is hydro formed and boxed under the engine only, boxxed under the cab and open c-channel under the bed.   Ford F-150 frame is much strong.   Tundra uses cross beams in the frame that are riveted to the side rails.   Ford F-150 uses cross beams that pass through the side rail and the are riveted on BOTH SIDES of the side rail.   As a result the Ford F-150 frame is MUCH MUCH stronger.   Ford has more trucks on the road than anyone else with over 250,000 miles on them. Replies to this message: obyone (Dec 23, 2007 9:58 pm) kcram (Dec 24, 2007 1:52 pm) b2900 (Dec 24, 2007 2:31 pm) and 4 more... sknabt (Dec 25, 2007 6:22 am) b2900 (Dec 25, 2007 4:23 pm) b2900 (Dec 23, 2007 10:27 pm) autuer (Dec 26, 2007 2:08 pm) sknabt (Dec 26, 2007 7:33 pm)
#392 of 551 Re: Truck of the year. [mschmal] by obyone Dec 23, 2007 (9:58 pm)
Replying to: mschmal (Dec 23, 2007 8:43 pm) "FIRST, Motor Trend only considers NEW OR REDESIGNED vehicles for the vehicle of the year awards. Accordingly, the Tundra was about the only full sized truck that qualified. "   While it is true that a new or redesigned vehicle is a requirement, the Tundra was redesigned for the model year 2007 and NOT 2008. So the question remains why was the Tundra the MT Truck of the Year for 2008 when it was introduced in 2007 as a 2007 model? Replies to this message: kcram (Dec 24, 2007 1:52 pm) b2900 (Dec 24, 2007 2:31 pm) obyone (Dec 24, 2007 6:05 pm) and 1 more... kcram (Dec 24, 2007 8:24 pm) and 1 more... sknabt (Dec 25, 2007 6:22 am) b2900 (Dec 25, 2007 4:23 pm)

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