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Ford F-150, Toyota Tundra, Chevrolet Silverado 1500, Dodge Ram Pickup 1500, GMC Sierra 1500, Nissan Titan, Car Buying, Truck
#372 of 577 Re: looks like [h20]
Dec 20, 2007 (7:23 am)
Your right it will never stop the toyota bashers will always be the way they are.They must have in their tiny minds they are the savior on man kind.I think they know they made a mistake buying chev. & gmc.So it makes them feel better to talk about tundra. I looked on the chev/gm forum.There was a poster with a 2007 truck having fuel problems truck was running rough.instead of helping him some posters started saying they did'nt have problems another compared him to a troll.they are in total dienal that their trucks have trouble too.The best way is not to reply to them they are in a world of their own.I want ever buy another chev. / gm.
#373 of 577 Re: TRUCK OF THE YEAR [b2900]
Dec 20, 2007 (7:49 am)
Now folks is tellin that them hi-lux ones is fit for work? Fact is that them tundra ones just won't work that farm without bustin up quick. Most folks think that workin them trucks is drivin them ones to work! Well, we haul with them trucks, we haul with them ones day after day and year after year. We need full size trucks with haul, not trucks winner no magazine awards for bustin tailgates off! What part of this is folks not gettin? Is any folk out there really workin them tundra ones now? Bet they break quickest if them ones are. Facts is facts on this one now. Good luck with this one now!
#374 of 577 Re: looks like [mule4]
Dec 20, 2007 (9:50 am)
In the 7 years that I've posted here, there has been only one individual that came close to being called a troll for complaining about his GMC. I posted solutions to his problems and never heard back from him again. If you know of more incidents where GM owners have been called a troll for posting their problems could you provide a link? GM owners are not in the habit of living in denial.
Want to know the quickest way to be called a troll? Post a Tundra recall in the Tundra forum.
#375 of 577 Re: looks like [obyone]
Dec 20, 2007 (11:29 am)
Look on 2007/2008 silv./ serri active fuel mangement problem.it was your post # 5 10/19/2007. Chev/ gmc forum. You made the statement.I'll not reply to you again It is a matter of time before you start having problems But you want admit it.You & your family have a good x-mas
happy new year & MAY GOD BLESS
#376 of 577 Re: looks like [mule4]
Dec 20, 2007 (1:57 pm)
My comment was directed to lionclaws. He was insinuating that the person posting was a troll. I merely defined what a troll was. Nothing more nothing less. The fact that the original poster posted once with a blanket comment on the GM AFM doesn't identify him as a troll. Merely a discontented owner venting his opinion. The fact that he never returned doesn't mean anything either. I have posted tons of replies to questions never to hear from the original poster again and not knowing if I had helped them or not.
I've had my Titan close to 3 years. No issues. Probably dump it in two and get another truck. Who knows the Tundra maybe perfected by then and even offer a diesel. Good luck with yours!!
P.S. Since you're not replying to me and maybe curious as to what it means try google and click under Bing Crosby...
#377 of 577 What happened to that Dave40 fella?
Dec 20, 2007 (6:16 pm)
That Dave40 had that knowin on these trucks now... What happened to that Dave40? What does that Dave40 have to tell on these new tundra ones? Good luck on this one now!
#378 of 577 Tundra vs. GMC Sierra
Dec 20, 2007 (7:30 pm)
One day Toyota may unseat the domestic full-size trucks in popularity. Toyota is a great company with great design and engineering talent. They have a well-deserved reputation for quality. But the '07/'08 isn't quite up to the task.
First off there's a lot of Ford, Chevy, and Dodge pick-up truck loyalists out there. It'll take a lot to make 'em switch. Then there's me. I've owned Japanese all my life including 2 Toyotas. When picking my first pick-up I chose a GMC Sierra SLT 4x4 over a Tundra Limited 4x4.
Test driving both, there's no significant difference between the GMC 5.3 and the Toyota 5.7. The Tunrda's 6-speed automatic has a tad less noticeable shift surge if you stomp the gas but it isn't that noticeable. Maybe a stopwatch can tell the difference but off the test track and in the real world both are first class rides.
The deal breaker is Tundra's sub-par interior. On an absolute scale, maybe it rises to almost average but in the price range the Limited sits in - most on the lot were well into the $40k range - its way out of it's league. 6-way driver and 4-way passenger seats don't begin to compare with Sierra's 10-way driver and passenger seats. Tundra features lots of hard plastic and some rather cheap looking knobs. This is the stuff GM used to be criticized for. The Sierra SLT's interior, by contrast, matches that of a near-luxury car. Tundra offers a few clever storage areas like pop-open eye glass holders on the ceiling but a lot of their little cubby holes are impractical.
When you're looking at a vehicle over $35k you expect some extras. The Sierra's command console offers a lot of information like oil viscosity. Sierra also offers OnStar with GPS tracking, engine diagnostics, etc. Forget Tundra. One oddity. A standard feature is to have temperature and a compass display in the rear view mirror. Sierra does this. Tundra displays the compass there but oddly hides the temperature in a hard to read, dimly lit dash display. Don't buy one without running boards because they stand taller than most trucks/SUVs and are a pain in the rear (pun intended) to climb into without one.
It's rumored Toyota delayed their Tundra to match the interior in the Sierra/Silverado. They didn't delay enough because this is a rare case of Toyota's interior being far inferior to the competition.
Quality is the hallmark of Toyota. The Tundra has been recalled twice. For fun Google "Toyota 5.7 breaking camshafts".
Compare stickers. In most configurations you'll find Tundras thousands more than a domestic truck. The sticker on my Sierra SLT was under $37,500. The cheapest extended cab 4x4 Tundra I could find on the lot was over $39k. Note, I'm comparing an '08 Sierra to an '07 Tundra. The salesman didn't bother showing me the '08s because they weren't in my price range (considering incentives). And the cheaper Tundra lacked options like parking assist the Sierra had. The Tundra is no bargain.
I'm sure Toyota will eventually recover. It's not a bad truck by any means. But it's a poor value and requires some upgrades.
#379 of 577 Re: Tundra vs. GMC Sierra [sknabt]
Dec 20, 2007 (8:04 pm)
check out post 368,does the shoe fit.
#380 of 577 Re: TRUCK OF THE YEAR [b2900]
Dec 21, 2007 (8:26 am)
That is interesting. My experience was exactly the opposite of yours. I am a former Toyota owner. Had a 85 4x4 pickup and a 92 4x4 pickup. The 85 was great, 92 very mediocre. Had several HORRIBLE repair experiences at the local Toyota dealer with the 92. Looked at all offerings, incl. the new Tundra, and bought the Silverado.
The last Chevy I owned was a 82 Z28 Camaro and it was just OK. Nothing to scream about in quality or performance. So, my decision was based on quality decline of Toyota, as well as a fresh look at Chevy. I also looked at the Ford and Dodge. Both looked pretty damned good overall. Toyota has bit off a chunk, and it will be interesting to see how they repsond to the less than stellar start. In the olden days, Toyota would have had them for lunch by now but the Big 3 have learned that they have to compete or die. They have circled the wagons around their p/ups and have held the line nicely. But that isn't enuf for their long term survival. They now have to reclaim a big chunk of the small and midsize family cars. I see evidence of that in the new Impala. Isn't competition wonderful for the consumer!
And for the record, I would absolutely consider another Toyota vehicle in the future. In fact, depending, I may take a look at the FJ in the next year or 2. It is overall a great auto company.
I think we can probably agree, based on our individual experiences, that overall Silverado has improved, and the Tundra has declined in quality. The relative amount of quality improvement and decline is the issue at hand. Would you agree with that?
#381 of 577 Re: TRUCK OF THE YEAR [1offroader]
Dec 21, 2007 (12:52 pm)
Dear Offroader. Well written I totally agree with you with regards to competition and raising the bar when it comes to quality regardless of who the Auto Company is. Personally for me, respect is earned and I reiterate that I loss faith and respect in the Big Three from major repairs at my cost and lack of compassion on behalf of the company that built the vehicle in questioned. However that is not to say that I have shut the door on North American vehicles’. The Silverado is an awesome truck and I sure with major improvements, and it has a fantastic rugged style. One can't but think what will they do to improve any of these trucks as they do each year?